Quotes & Sayings


We, and creation itself, actualize the possibilities of the God who sustains the world, towards becoming in the world in a fuller, more deeper way. - R.E. Slater

There is urgency in coming to see the world as a web of interrelated processes of which we are integral parts, so that all of our choices and actions have [consequential effects upon] the world around us. - Process Metaphysician Alfred North Whitehead

Kurt Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem says (i) all closed systems are unprovable within themselves and, that (ii) all open systems are rightly understood as incomplete. - R.E. Slater

The most true thing about you is what God has said to you in Christ, "You are My Beloved." - Tripp Fuller

The God among us is the God who refuses to be God without us, so great is God's Love. - Tripp Fuller

According to some Christian outlooks we were made for another world. Perhaps, rather, we were made for this world to recreate, reclaim, redeem, and renew unto God's future aspiration by the power of His Spirit. - R.E. Slater

Our eschatological ethos is to love. To stand with those who are oppressed. To stand against those who are oppressing. It is that simple. Love is our only calling and Christian Hope. - R.E. Slater

Secularization theory has been massively falsified. We don't live in an age of secularity. We live in an age of explosive, pervasive religiosity... an age of religious pluralism. - Peter L. Berger

Exploring the edge of life and faith in a post-everything world. - Todd Littleton

I don't need another reason to believe, your love is all around for me to see. – Anon

Thou art our need; and in giving us more of thyself thou givest us all. - Khalil Gibran, Prayer XXIII

Be careful what you pretend to be. You become what you pretend to be. - Kurt Vonnegut

Religious beliefs, far from being primary, are often shaped and adjusted by our social goals. - Jim Forest

We become who we are by what we believe and can justify. - R.E. Slater

People, even more than things, need to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed, and redeemed; never throw out anyone. – Anon

Certainly, God's love has made fools of us all. - R.E. Slater

An apocalyptic Christian faith doesn't wait for Jesus to come, but for Jesus to become in our midst. - R.E. Slater

Christian belief in God begins with the cross and resurrection of Jesus, not with rational apologetics. - Eberhard Jüngel, Jürgen Moltmann

Our knowledge of God is through the 'I-Thou' encounter, not in finding God at the end of a syllogism or argument. There is a grave danger in any Christian treatment of God as an object. The God of Jesus Christ and Scripture is irreducibly subject and never made as an object, a force, a power, or a principle that can be manipulated. - Emil Brunner

“Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh” means "I will be that who I have yet to become." - God (Ex 3.14) or, conversely, “I AM who I AM Becoming.”

Our job is to love others without stopping to inquire whether or not they are worthy. - Thomas Merton

The church is God's world-changing social experiment of bringing unlikes and differents to the Eucharist/Communion table to share life with one another as a new kind of family. When this happens, we show to the world what love, justice, peace, reconciliation, and life together is designed by God to be. The church is God's show-and-tell for the world to see how God wants us to live as a blended, global, polypluralistic family united with one will, by one Lord, and baptized by one Spirit. – Anon

The cross that is planted at the heart of the history of the world cannot be uprooted. - Jacques Ellul

The Unity in whose loving presence the universe unfolds is inside each person as a call to welcome the stranger, protect animals and the earth, respect the dignity of each person, think new thoughts, and help bring about ecological civilizations. - John Cobb & Farhan A. Shah

If you board the wrong train it is of no use running along the corridors of the train in the other direction. - Dietrich Bonhoeffer

God's justice is restorative rather than punitive; His discipline is merciful rather than punishing; His power is made perfect in weakness; and His grace is sufficient for all. – Anon

Our little [biblical] systems have their day; they have their day and cease to be. They are but broken lights of Thee, and Thou, O God art more than they. - Alfred Lord Tennyson

We can’t control God; God is uncontrollable. God can’t control us; God’s love is uncontrolling! - Thomas Jay Oord

Life in perspective but always in process... as we are relational beings in process to one another, so life events are in process in relation to each event... as God is to Self, is to world, is to us... like Father, like sons and daughters, like events... life in process yet always in perspective. - R.E. Slater

To promote societal transition to sustainable ways of living and a global society founded on a shared ethical framework which includes respect and care for the community of life, ecological integrity, universal human rights, respect for diversity, economic justice, democracy, and a culture of peace. - The Earth Charter Mission Statement

Christian humanism is the belief that human freedom, individual conscience, and unencumbered rational inquiry are compatible with the practice of Christianity or even intrinsic in its doctrine. It represents a philosophical union of Christian faith and classical humanist principles. - Scott Postma

It is never wise to have a self-appointed religious institution determine a nation's moral code. The opportunities for moral compromise and failure are high; the moral codes and creeds assuredly racist, discriminatory, or subjectively and religiously defined; and the pronouncement of inhumanitarian political objectives quite predictable. - R.E. Slater

God's love must both center and define the Christian faith and all religious or human faiths seeking human and ecological balance in worlds of subtraction, harm, tragedy, and evil. - R.E. Slater

In Whitehead’s process ontology, we can think of the experiential ground of reality as an eternal pulse whereby what is objectively public in one moment becomes subjectively prehended in the next, and whereby the subject that emerges from its feelings then perishes into public expression as an object (or “superject”) aiming for novelty. There is a rhythm of Being between object and subject, not an ontological division. This rhythm powers the creative growth of the universe from one occasion of experience to the next. This is the Whiteheadian mantra: “The many become one and are increased by one.” - Matthew Segall

Without Love there is no Truth. And True Truth is always Loving. There is no dichotomy between these terms but only seamless integration. This is the premier centering focus of a Processual Theology of Love. - R.E. Slater

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Note: Generally I do not respond to commentary. I may read the comments but wish to reserve my time to write (or write from the comments I read). Instead, I'd like to see our community help one another and in the helping encourage and exhort each of us towards Christian love in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. - re slater

Wednesday, June 4, 2025

The Paradox of Apophatic and Kataphatic in Kierkegaard and Nietsche



The Paradox of Apophatic and
Cataphatic in Kierkegaard and Nietsche

by R.E. Slater & ChatGPT


Here, I thought to explore the paradoxes between the philosophical existentialists Kierkegaard and Nietzsche as they sought inner meaning from their observations and heavy criticisms of Christianity's "plastic / artificial" displays of faith, temper, actions, and morality in their day.

I then conclude this "reflective" exercise through the lense of process philosophy and theology ending it with several paradoxical observations even as I began with the same.

If there is any correlation with maga/trumpian evangelicalism it is but a byproduct of this discussion without any intentional attention meant to be drawn to it except as is drawn to it by the organizations themselves.

R.E. Slater
June 4, 2025

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards."
- Søren Kierkegaard, from his journals (circa 1843)
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."
- Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, Aphorism 146

Here are two famous saying by two famous philosophers. One was Danish, the other German. Both were existentialists and wrote about existentialism. One focused on ethics and morality, the other self-overcoming and value-making. One wrote about subjective becoming and the other about existential rupture and re-creation.


REFLECTIVE / THOUGHTFUL LIVING

Above, Søren Kierkegaard's quote highlights the idea that while reflecting on past experiences and learning from them is valuable, one must also move forward with purpose. By this he suggests that by examining our past we may gain insight into the meaning and connections of our life experiences. We may perhaps see patterns, understand how our decisions led to certain outcomes, and learn valuable lessons.

Moreover, in so doing one must then move forward... reflecting on the past is important, but it is also crucial to live our lives actively and with purpose by embracing our unknown future while making choices which may shape our future trajectory.

Hence, Soren's observation implies a balance between understanding our past so as to inform our present that we may move forward with intention and a hopeful outlook. We can learn from past our mistakes, acknowledge our successes, and thereby use that knowledge to create a meaningful future.

These actions then can give to us purpose and destiny by encouraging a positive outlook and focusing on personal goals and ultimate destiny. By reflecting on the past and then refocusing on the future, we can base our actions on our aspirations and values.

In summary, the Danish existentialist and theologian was deeply concerned with an individual's inner life, faith, and the paradoxes of human existence. His famous quote comes from his reflections on time, selfhood, and meaning, and is widely regarded as one of his most profound insights.

  • First, life is “Understood backwards…” - that is, understanding comes after the fact - as humans, we often fail to grasp the meaning of our experiences until we reflect on them. And yet, in retrospect, we can connect dots. Example: suffering might yield wisdom, missed opportunities might reveal values, and pivotal decisions may uncover purpose.
  • Secondly, “…But lived forwards.” - meaning, we don’t get to know the future; we must act, decide, and live without knowing outcomes. This tension between reflection and action defines much of Kierkegaard’s existential thought — especially the idea of the leap of faith.


Aspect     Looking Backward Living Forward
Meaning     Interpretation, insight, understanding     Action, risk, decision-making
Emotional Tone     Reflective, contemplative Courageous, hopeful, uncertain
Temporal Relation     Past-focused Future-focused
Philosophical Link     Memory, narrative, identity Will, freedom, responsibility


TRANSFORMATIVE OVERCOMING

Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche's aphorism "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you" warns against the dangers of confronting evil or dark aspects of reality. It suggests that engaging with monsters or exploring the abyss can corrupt or transform the one who does so.

In essence, his quote cautions against:
  • Becoming what you fight: "When you engage in conflict with evil or monsters, you risk becoming similar to them in nature and behavior."
  • Being consumed by the depths: "Exploring the darkness or the abyss can have a reciprocal effect, influencing your own perspective and potentially pulling you into its depths."
  • The importance of self-awareness: "It highlights the need to be mindful of one's own moral compass when dealing with difficult situations."
The quote can be interpreted in various ways, including:
  • The dangers of obsession: Focusing solely on the negative aspects of reality can lead to a distorted worldview and even self-destruction.
  • The potential for empathy and understanding: Gazing into the abyss can offer insights into the nature of evil and the human condition.
  • The importance of maintaining one's identity: When confronting darkness, it's crucial to remember your own values and principles.
In his book, Beyond Good and Evil, Nietzsche explored the concept of the abyss as a metaphor for the depths of human suffering, the struggle between good and evil, and the potential for both creation and destruction. Essentially it was a philosophical critique of traditional morality and the domas of past philosophers.

In this text, he distinguishes between:
  • Monumental history – looking to the past for great moments to inspire.
  • Antiquarian history – preserving the past lovingly.
  • Critical history – judging and rejecting the past.
Too much backward-looking of the wrong kind, he argues, can become burdensome and stifle the "will to life" or creativity.


COMPARING KIERKEGAARD V NIETZSCHE

🔹 Søren Kierkegaard (1813–1855)

Focus: Faith, individuality, and the inward journey of becoming before God

AspectDescription
🧭 Core ConcernThe individual's subjective relationship to truth, especially in relation to God and faith
🙇 Primary StruggleHow to live authentically in a world of despair, anxiety, and paradox
✝️ View of ReligionDeeply Christian — saw faith as a passionate, paradoxical “leap” beyond reason
💔 Key ThemesDespair, anxiety, dread, becoming a true self, authenticity before God
🧩 TruthSubjective truth is central: “Truth is subjectivity”
🔄 Philosophical MethodUsed pseudonyms and indirect communication to explore different life views (aesthetic, ethical, religious)
🌱 GoalTransformation of the individual soul through repentance, passion, and faith

“The self is a relation that relates itself to itself… in relating itself to itself, it relates itself to another — that is, to God.”


🔸 Friedrich Nietzsche (1844–1900)

Focus: Power, values, and the overcoming of nihilism in a post-Christian world

AspectDescription
🔥 Core ConcernWhat happens when God is dead — the collapse of religious and moral absolutes
🛠️ Primary StruggleCreating new values in the face of nihilism and cultural decay
🚫 View of ReligionFiercely critical of Christianity, seeing it as life-denying and rooted in weakness
💣 Key ThemesWill to power, eternal recurrence, overman (Übermensch), ressentiment, revaluation of values
📉 TruthDenied absolute truth; saw “truth” as historically and culturally conditioned
🧪 Philosophical MethodAphoristic, poetic, polemical — sought to shock, awaken, provoke
🧗 GoalThe overcoming of man — the birth of a noble, life-affirming individual who can create meaning

“Become who you are.”
“He who has a why to live can bear almost any how.”


KEY DIFFERENCES SUMMARIZED

Theme                           Kierkegaard                        Nietzsche
Orientation                    Theistic / Christian               Atheistic / Anti-Christian
Existential Problem       Despair before God             Nihilism after the “death of God”
Central Goal                  Authentic faith & selfhood   Creative self-overcoming & value-making
Tone                              Reflective, devotional,         Bold, critical, prophetic, iconoclastic
                                      paradoxical
Audience Concern        The “single individual”         Culture, society, and the modern psyche
                                      before God


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PROCESS-BASED CONTRAST & SYNTHESIS

Here I turned to ChatGPT to complete my conjectures:

RES

Let's unfold the processual contrast and potential synthesis of Søren Kierkegaard and Friedrich Nietzsche using a Whiteheadian process framework that views reality as becoming, relation, and creative transformation.

ChatGPT

Kierkegaard focuses on inward, subjective becoming through the process of divine relation. Similarly, Nietzsche focuses on existential rupture and re-creation, challenging stagnant forms and calling for new modes of processual becoming via personal power.


Process-based Contrast & Synthesis between Kierkegaard & Nietzsche

✦ Kierkegaard's Legacy:

  • Invites the depth of self-awareness, the necessity of subjective truth, and the acknowledgment of despair as part of the human condition.

  • Faith becomes the rhythm of interior becoming, an opening to Divine persuasion and existential grounding.

✦ Nietzsche's Legacy:

  • Invites the courage of transformation, the necessity of disrupting decaying systems, and the will to shape meaning from the abyss.

  • Power becomes the rhythm of forward motion, an energizing force of self-transcendence and creative novelty.

🌀 In Process Terms:

  • Kierkegaard embodies the prehensive inwardness of process: each moment gathers up memory, faith, dread.

  • Nietzsche embodies the creative advance: each moment disrupts, challenges, and moves toward self-overcoming.


🕊️ Synthetic Frame (Process View):

“The true self must reflect deeply enough to encounter the abyss and still create forward with faith and courage.”


Stage              Process-Integrated View
1. Despair       Kierkegaard: Facing the hollowness of the self without God
2. Rejection    Nietzsche: Refusing imposed truths and collapsing values
3. Crisis          The abyss opens: nihilism, dread, ungrounding
4. Decision     Kierkegaard leaps to faith; Nietzsche leaps to creation
5. Becoming   Process: Becoming is both relational (K) and creative (N)
6. Harmony     Faith and Power united as co-creative lures toward greater wholeness

🌿 A Poetic Fusion:

The self stands trembling on the cliff’s edge -
One eye cast inward, one flung sunward.
The dark calls for surrender, the light cries for creation.
But only in the twining dance of both
Do heart and soul become.


A LAST OBSERVATION

RES

Would Kierkegaard qualify broadly as a kataphatic philosopher as versus Nietzsche as an apophatic philosopher? (sic, cataphatic = kataphatic)

ChatGPT

That’s a profound and nuanced question — and your instinct is insightful. While neither Søren Kierkegaard nor Friedrich Nietzsche fits cleanly into classical theological categories like kataphatic and apophatic, we can draw a meaningful metaphorical parallel using those terms in a broadened, philosophical sense.

🧭 Philosophical Use of Kataphatic vs. Apophatic

TermTheological MeaningBroader Philosophical Metaphor
KataphaticAffirming what God is (e.g., “God is love”)Affirming values, purpose, or presence
ApophaticDenying what God is not (“God is beyond all”)Denying fixed meaning, embracing unknowability, void, or negation

🧍‍♂️ Applying to Kierkegaard and Nietzsche

ThinkerKataphatic or Apophatic?Why?
KierkegaardBroadly KataphaticThough he wrestled with despair, paradox, and mystery, Kierkegaard ultimately affirmed the existence of God, the self, and meaning. His philosophy moves toward faith, subjective truth, and a personal relationship with the Divine.
NietzscheBroadly ApophaticNietzsche’s approach is profoundly negational: he critiques God (“God is dead”), traditional morality, metaphysics, and fixed meaning. His “yes” comes only after an abyssal “no.” His “apophatic” rupture clears space for revaluation and creative becoming.

🌀 But There’s a Twist…

  • Kierkegaard’s “leap of faith” is apophatic in method (it involves paradox and the limits of reason), but kataphatic in outcome (he affirms God and the self).

  • Nietzsche’s “revaluation of values” is apophatic in substance (denying inherited values), but can feel kataphatic in spirit (his yes to life, affirmation of power and creation).


⚖️ Process-Theological Insight

In process philosophy, both thinkers participate in the dialectic of becoming:

  • Kierkegaard seeks meaning through Divine relationality, a kataphatic lure emerging from apophatic darkness.

  • Nietzsche seeks freedom through destruction, an apophatic clearing that becomes kataphatic creativity.


✨ Poetic Framing

Kierkegaard says:
“I descend into the silence of paradox, and find a voice that says yes.”

Nietzsche says:
“I shatter the idols of meaning, so I might dance unchained beneath the stars.”


5- CHRISTIAN EPISTEMOLOGY
CATAPHATIC VS APOPHATIC THEOLOGY

by the Nepal Academy of Fine Arts





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