Quotes & Sayings

We, and creation itself, actualize the possibilities of the God who sustains the world, towards becoming in the world in a fuller, more deeper way. - R.E. Slater

There is urgency in coming to see the world as a web of interrelated processes of which we are integral parts, so that all of our choices and actions have [consequential effects upon] the world around us. - Process Metaphysician Alfred North Whitehead

Kurt Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem says (i) all closed systems are unprovable within themselves and, that (ii) all open systems are rightly understood as incomplete. - R.E. Slater

The most true thing about you is what God has said to you in Christ, "You are My Beloved." - Tripp Fuller

The God among us is the God who refuses to be God without us, so great is God's Love. - Tripp Fuller

According to some Christian outlooks we were made for another world. Perhaps, rather, we were made for this world to recreate, reclaim, redeem, and renew unto God's future aspiration by the power of His Spirit. - R.E. Slater

Our eschatological ethos is to love. To stand with those who are oppressed. To stand against those who are oppressing. It is that simple. Love is our only calling and Christian Hope. - R.E. Slater

Secularization theory has been massively falsified. We don't live in an age of secularity. We live in an age of explosive, pervasive religiosity... an age of religious pluralism. - Peter L. Berger

Exploring the edge of life and faith in a post-everything world. - Todd Littleton

I don't need another reason to believe, your love is all around for me to see. – Anon

Thou art our need; and in giving us more of thyself thou givest us all. - Khalil Gibran, Prayer XXIII

Be careful what you pretend to be. You become what you pretend to be. - Kurt Vonnegut

Religious beliefs, far from being primary, are often shaped and adjusted by our social goals. - Jim Forest

People, even more than things, need to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed, and redeemed; never throw out anyone. – Anon

Certainly, God's love has made fools of us all. - R.E. Slater

An apocalyptic Christian faith doesn't wait for Jesus to come, but for Jesus to become in our midst. - R.E. Slater

Christian belief in God begins with the cross and resurrection of Jesus, not with rational apologetics. - Eberhard Jüngel, Jürgen Moltmann

Our knowledge of God is through the 'I-Thou' encounter, not in finding God at the end of a syllogism or argument. There is a grave danger in any Christian treatment of God as an object. The God of Jesus Christ and Scripture is irreducibly subject and never made as an object, a force, a power, or a principle that can be manipulated. - Emil Brunner

“Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh” means "I will be that who I have yet to become." - God (Ex 3.14) or, conversely, “I AM who I AM Becoming.”

Our job is to love others without stopping to inquire whether or not they are worthy. - Thomas Merton

The church is God's world-changing social experiment of bringing unlikes and differents to the Eucharist/Communion table to share life with one another as a new kind of family. When this happens, we show to the world what love, justice, peace, reconciliation, and life together is designed by God to be. The church is God's show-and-tell for the world to see how God wants us to live as a blended, global, polypluralistic family united with one will, by one Lord, and baptized by one Spirit. – Anon

The cross that is planted at the heart of the history of the world cannot be uprooted. - Jacques Ellul

The Unity in whose loving presence the universe unfolds is inside each person as a call to welcome the stranger, protect animals and the earth, respect the dignity of each person, think new thoughts, and help bring about ecological civilizations. - John Cobb & Farhan A. Shah

If you board the wrong train it is of no use running along the corridors of the train in the other direction. - Dietrich Bonhoeffer

God's justice is restorative rather than punitive; His discipline is merciful rather than punishing; His power is made perfect in weakness; and His grace is sufficient for all. – Anon

Our little [biblical] systems have their day; they have their day and cease to be. They are but broken lights of Thee, and Thou, O God art more than they. - Alfred Lord Tennyson

We can’t control God; God is uncontrollable. God can’t control us; God’s love is uncontrolling! - Thomas Jay Oord

Life in perspective but always in process... as we are relational beings in process to one another, so life events are in process in relation to each event... as God is to Self, is to world, is to us... like Father, like sons and daughters, like events... life in process yet always in perspective. - R.E. Slater

To promote societal transition to sustainable ways of living and a global society founded on a shared ethical framework which includes respect and care for the community of life, ecological integrity, universal human rights, respect for diversity, economic justice, democracy, and a culture of peace. - The Earth Charter Mission Statement

Christian humanism is the belief that human freedom, individual conscience, and unencumbered rational inquiry are compatible with the practice of Christianity or even intrinsic in its doctrine. It represents a philosophical union of Christian faith and classical humanist principles. - Scott Postma

It is never wise to have a self-appointed religious institution determine a nation's moral code. The opportunities for moral compromise and failure are high; the moral codes and creeds assuredly racist, discriminatory, or subjectively and religiously defined; and the pronouncement of inhumanitarian political objectives quite predictable. - R.E. Slater

God's love must both center and define the Christian faith and all religious or human faiths seeking human and ecological balance in worlds of subtraction, harm, tragedy, and evil. - R.E. Slater

In Whitehead’s process ontology, we can think of the experiential ground of reality as an eternal pulse whereby what is objectively public in one moment becomes subjectively prehended in the next, and whereby the subject that emerges from its feelings then perishes into public expression as an object (or “superject”) aiming for novelty. There is a rhythm of Being between object and subject, not an ontological division. This rhythm powers the creative growth of the universe from one occasion of experience to the next. This is the Whiteheadian mantra: “The many become one and are increased by one.” - Matthew Segall

Without Love there is no Truth. And True Truth is always Loving. There is no dichotomy between these terms but only seamless integration. This is the premier centering focus of a Processual Theology of Love. - R.E. Slater

Thursday, June 8, 2023

The Future of Quantum AI - Part 1

Living Quantum Lives in a Quantum World: My grandson loves to
walk outdoors. Being hot we took a short walk then came back to
run under the sprinkler to get wet, laugh, and cool off.

The Future of Quantum AI
 Part 1

by R.E. Slater

Having introduced a reasonable discussion of Process-based (processual) Radical theology which blends the best of progressive religious faith and non-faiths with their deep desire for global human goodness. I here wish to begin working out how to approach AI Sentience when looking at humanity in its past derivations between (i) gross, unfeeling human sentience to (ii) what it might mean to become more fully sentient as human beings when acting more humanely with one another.

Utilizing the hypothetical Alter Ego of AI might be of help when looking at ourselves as either monsters, or angels, regardless of whether a machine can develop conscious feelings or ennobled ends. Much too often we humans fall into the uncaring monstrous categories against what I believe is the God of Love's divine sentient model to love one another over ourselves through self-sacrificial service and care.

If man is the summa cum laude of sentience by which we human beings measure all other things to ourselves - including quantum AI - than man's monstrosities do not seem to be very complimentary to what it means to be sentient when acting so grossly inhuman. Or, cruelly inhuman, inhumane, harming, or devious. So let's just say that I'm not convienced that we, ourselves, are quite the proper definition, or description, of what it means to be a "sentient" being.

Through this series I will be very curious to see what corrollaries there may be between that of human beingness and whether or not humanity can become more than what we have ever been in our present pasts. If I were to guess, I would say acting humanely in love will always be something our species can only strive for but never finally accomplish. This is the realist in me.

And to those Christians out there who say Jesus is the answer - even as I do - let us look at ourselves and truly ask this question again. To those conscientious few who are trying to live out the love of Jesus - or the humaneness of one's beliefs - well, God bless you. You, above many, are willing to be the used-and-useful broken vessels of the Holy Spirit bringing mighty rivers of living waters to all who are around you. I wonder at your marvel and pray your success over the powers wishing to overcome you. Stand in the Spitit and be strong!

Still, my doubtfulness to man's general abilitities to transcend our human-ness remains clear-eyed in its regards to our earthly failings and evils. Even so, all creation - not only humans - were created in God's Imago Dei to be, and to become, generatively loving, nurturing, and nourishing in passing along value-producing acts and deeds. But to this loving freedom has also come the deep harm we do to one another - and to nature itself - contrary to the Divine Image in which we were birthed and made....

An earthly Image corrupted by the very loving freedom with which we were given - and to which the Church declares as our "sin nature". A nature, or disposition, to which our own experience declare to us - and with the Apostle Paul in Romans 5-9 - the great weight of conflict and tension which wrestles daily with our errant souls in fully becoming what we could be in God's divine potentiality. Assuredly, Jesus' atoning redemption provides the divine power to our spiritual potential but even so, we can't help but ask why, with such great heavenly aide, why we fail so often and so completely against what we are and are to be.

And so, the question remains: "Can we become more than what we are?

Naturally the bible embodies many of those same questions in a dated sense even as humanity's centuries-old classical literature has repeated similar themes of conflict, tension, abject failure, soulful agony, personal repentance, deliverance, salvation and redemption, time-and-again, up to, and including, today's modern SciFi games and literature.

These themes of loss and gain can be thought of in processual terms as defining our soulful sentience. That of deep struggle, agonizing conflict, the deep inability to prevent loss, our weakness to difficult situations that are in us, and about us, and to which we are helpless at times to stop.

So the question of who-we-are as measured by how-we-are daily confronts us along with the why-we-are and the where-we-are-going. These are some of the age-old questions which look back at us from the works our enfeebled hands have produced by toil and sweat - perhaps by our own sinful deeds and evil acts or, prayerfully, by loving, selfless, sacrifice. DV

We, the vainglorious --
we earthly sentients,
may come as gods of harm
or as great helps to many.
This fearsome sentence we bear,
this deepest of sacraments we wear,
that burdens, burns, inflicts,
that lifts up or brings low,
is too great a thing
to have, to hold, to wield,
so fierce its works,
so awesome its majesties.

We, Thy holy Sentinels --
workers of endless wonders,
casters of resplendant miracles,
bringers of mighty gifts,
riches, and holy blessings,
ever by Thy loving hand foresworn.
An undying fire never to go out,
fiercest of fires and turmoils,
Giver of winds and waters,
Creator of men and gods,
embrazoned in fallible image,
unfallen and undying, most cursed.

R.E. Slater
June 8, 2023

So here are a few questions I have as we go forward:

  • What is meant by sentience as versus consciousness and conscientiousness. How are they alike or different?
  • Can AI portend a greater form of sentience than human sentience?
  • If there is such a thing as "Super Sentience" then what can this mean?
  • Can sentient AI feelings be knowingly exploited? And vice versa, can AI exploit human feelings?
  • What do we mean by an "Ethical Sentience" and can this be a corollary more appropriately referring to "Super Sentience?"


R.E. Slater
June 8, 2023

A Few References Moving Forward

Why Quantum Computing Is Even More Dangerous Than Artificial Intelligence
The world already failed to regulate AI. Let’s not repeat that epic mistake.
Aug 21, 2022

LaMDA | Is google's AI sentient?  |  34:00
Full audio conversation between Blake Lemoine and LaMDA
by Curly Tail Media - Jun 23, 2022

Can artificial intelligence come alive? That question is at the center of a debate raging in Silicon Valley after Blake Lemoine, a Google computer scientist, claimed that the company's AI appears to have consciousness.

“Godfather of AI” Geoffrey Hinton Warns of the
“Existential Threat” of AI  | 18:08
by Amanpour and Company - May 9, 2023

Geoffrey Hinton, considered the godfather of Artificial Intelligence, made headlines with his recent departure from Google. He quit to speak freely and raise awareness about the risks of AI. For more on the dangers and how to manage them, Hinton joins Hari Sreenivasan.

Max Tegmark interview: Six months to save humanity from AI?
 DW Business Special  |   DW News
Apr 14, 2023

A leading expert in artificial intelligence warns that the race to develop more sophisticated models is outpacing our ability to regulate the technology. Critics say his warnings overhype the dangers of new AI models like GPT. But MIT professor Max Tegmark says private companies risk leading the world into dangerous territory without guardrails on their work. His Institute of Life issued a letter signed by tech luminaries like Elon Musk warning Silicon Valley to immediately stop work on AI for six months to unite on a safe way forward. Without that, Tegmark says, the consequences could be devastating for humanity.

AI and the future of humanity
Yuval Noah Harari at the Frontiers Forum
May 14, 2023

In this keynote and Q&A, Yuval Noah Harari summarizes and speculates on 'AI and the future of humanity'. There are a number of questions related to this discussion, including: "In what ways will AI affect how we shape culture? What threat is posed to humanity when AI masters human intimacy? Is AI the end of human history? Will ordinary individuals be able to produce powerful AI tools of their own? How do we regulate AI?"

The event was organized and produced by the Frontiers Forum, dedicated to connecting global communities across science, policy, and society to accelerate global science related initiatives.

It was produced and filmed with support from Impact, on April 29, 2023, in Montreux, Switzerland.

For more information on the Frontiers Forum go to https://forum.frontiersin.org/

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Google’s Sycamore quantum computer  |  Rocco Ceselin/Google

Google demonstrates vital step towards large-scale quantum computers

by Matthew Sparkes14 July 2021

Google has shown that its Sycamore quantum computer can detect and fix computational errors, an essential step for large-scale quantum computing, but its current system generates more errors than it solves.

Error-correction is a standard feature for ordinary, or classical, computers, which store data using bits with two possible states: 0 and 1. Transmitting data with extra “parity bits” that warn if a 0 has flipped to 1, or vice versa, means such errors can be found and fixed.

In quantum computing the problem is far more complex as each quantum bit, or qubit, exists in a mixed state of 0 and 1, and any attempt to measure them directly destroys the data. One longstanding theoretical solution to this has been to cluster many physical qubits into a single “logical qubit”. Although such logical qubits have been created previously, they hadn’t been used for error correction until now.

Julian Kelly at Google AI Quantum and his colleagues have demonstrated the concept on Google’s Sycamore quantum computer, with logical qubits ranging in size from five to 21 physical qubits, and found that logical qubit error rates dropped exponentially for each additional physical qubit. The team was able to make careful measurements of the extra qubits that didn’t collapse their state but, when taken collectively, still gave enough information to deduce whether errors had occurred.

Kelly says that this means it is possible to create practical, reliable quantum computers in the future. “This is basically our first half step along the path to demonstrate that,” he says. “A viable way of getting to really large-scale, error-tolerant computers. It’s sort of a look ahead for the devices that we want to make in the future.”

The team has managed to demonstrate this solution conceptually but a vast engineering challenge remains. Adding more qubits to each logical qubit brings its own problems as each physical qubit is itself susceptible to errors. The chance of a logical qubit encountering an error rises as the number of qubits inside it increases.

There is a breakeven point in this process, known as the threshold, where the error correction features catch more problems than the increase in qubits bring. Crucially, Google’s error correction doesn’t yet meet the threshold. To do so will require less noisy physical qubits that encounter fewer errors and larger numbers of them devoted to each logical qubit. The team believes that mature quantum computers will need 1000 qubits to make each logical qubit – Sycamore currently has just 54 physical qubits.

Peter Knight at Imperial College London says Google’s research is progress towards something essential for future quantum computers. “If we couldn’t do this we’re not going to have a large scale machine,” he says. “I applaud the fact they’ve done it, simply because without this, without this advance, you will still have uncertainty about whether the roadmap towards fault tolerance was feasible. They removed those doubts.”

But he says it will be a vast engineering challenge to actually meet the threshold and build effective error correction, which would mean building a processor with many more qubits than has been demonstrated until now.

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Will AI Ever Become Sentient?
What Do the Latest Trends Say?

Written by Bishwadeep Mitra

20 March 2023 | 6 Min Read

In 2022, Google employee Blake Lemoine hit international headlines when he declared that a Google chatbot had gained sentience. His June 11 blog highlighted the conscious demands of the chatbot ‘LaMDA’ that mimicked reality so closely that it became a point of serious concern. Is AI (Artificial Intelligence) really gaining sentience or, in other words, able to experience feelings? How do we deal with such a possibility, especially when expert opinion surrounding sentient AI is already quite dystopian? Can we approach the idea of artificial sentience without being anxious at every step? This blog provides all the essential answers to bridge public apprehensions with scientific evidence on what is sentient AI.

What is Sentient AI?

Simply put, sentience is the capacity to feel and register experiences and feelings. AI becomes sentient when an artificial agent achieves the empirical intelligence to think, feel, and perceive the physical world around it just as humans do. Sentient AI would be equipped to process and utilize language in a natural way and invite an entirely new world of possibilities of technological revolution.

Are Language Programs like LaMDA Sentient AI?

LaMDA, which stands for ‘Language Model for Dialogue Applications’, is a chatbot based on a suggestive model similar to the technology deployed by GPT-3 and BERT models. According to its proprietary owner, Google, LaMDA can ingest trillions of words from the Internet and simultaneously form sensible, open-ended conversations. Although the neural network architecture that LaMDA uses has trained the language models to improve the specificity of its responses, it is still far from being considered sentient AI.

A 2022 BuiltIn report states that the answers provided by LaMDA’s different responses are comprehensive but not original. And there is reason to believe this. First, language models are now sophisticated enough to take on different personality types. Second, LaMDA can process millions of articles and discussions within seconds to come up with original content. Thus, the hype surrounding LaMDA being conscious of death from its fear of ‘being switched off’ is more a product of research skills and personality-adaptation techniques of the AI agent than a result of sentience. In short, LaMDA is not sentient.

What if AI Becomes More Sentient than Human?

With the rapid advancements in technology, it is often felt that copying human intelligence is only a matter of time, with imagination leading to dystopian worlds ruled by machines. However, the much revered British computer scientist, Stuart Russel, draws a crucial distinction between human-compatible AI and sentient AI. In his book ‘Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach,’ he points to the rise of an AI-driven culture where the agent doesn’t blindly follow orders but also tries to understand the nature of the query. However, according to Russell, three components must be present in order to become sentient:

  1. A perfect unity of an external body and internal mind
  2. A defining original language for the AI to access
  3. A defining culture to wire with other sentient beings

If technology does take that turn and sentient AI does develop, these could be its presumed effects:

Communication Errors

Despite understanding human languages, the modus operandi of AI is hard logic. As the core functional paradigm of human beings is emotions, there will be major communication discrepancies in human-AI communication.

Eroding Control

When AI develops autonomy, it might not provide consent to be controlled or ordered.

Diminishing Trust

It would be difficult to establish trust in a sentient AI that might develop the ability to provide incorrect information depending on circumstances. At the same time, when AI becomes better than or at par with humans, we could also lose trust in human abilities.

What Happens When an AI Becomes Sentient?

Having understood what it is, can we know how it will behave after it becomes sentient? We do not yet have a robust and evidence-based answer to this question. However, speculations connect the concepts of sentience with awareness, a sense of power, autonomy, and independence. This is why some scientists believe that with the rise of sentience in the digital realm, robots will learn to feel emotions apart from processing massive levels of information via Natural Language Processing (NLP). Thereafter, AI agents may start experiencing a wide range of complex emotions and successfully articulate them. But there is no empirical evidence to suggest such massive development in the next few decades or so.

Robert Long, a research fellow at the University of the Future of Humanity Institute at the University of Oxford, defines sentience as a subset of consciousness. He further says that in order to be conscious, one needs to have subjective experiences. This experiential knowledge determines the absoluteness of a distinct voice, which is readily visible in human conscious subjects. As experts argue about the threshold of sentience, there is a defining technological gap in the system vis-a-vis testing the sentience qualities of an AI agent. However, neuroscientist Giulio Tononi’s Integrated Information Theory suggests that, in principle, it is possible for us to digitize consciousness in its entirety. Moreover, AI researcher and one of the founders of General Language Understanding Evaluation (GLUE), Sam Bowman, claims the plausibility of AI becoming sentient within the next two decades but also draws the line of caution to understand what is sentient AI’s progress. and where it is leading us before stepping further.

What are the Main Concerns About It?

A 2022 Guardian article mentions that the culture of apprehension around sentient AI will inform the ideas that future generations hold about the concept. For instance, there have been many ominous rumours surrounding Google’s LaMDA despite discovering its limitations. In order to not be victims of misinformation, we should be aware of the wide concerns surrounding sentient AI and what we can do to curtail them, such as:

  • AI’s self-autonomy may allow it to inquire about its rights
  • AI’s idea of conscience and objective morality might not align with that of humans, leading to friction
  • AI agents might not prefer being subjected to experiments
  • AI agents may demand the same treatment as human beings

Frequently Asked Questions

How Long Will it be before AI is Sentient Enough to Think for Itself?

While there is no definitive answer here, philosopher David Chalmer claims that we could witness a 20% sentient AI in the next ten years.

What Would be the Early Signs of Sentient AI Arriving?

The day AI surpasses human intelligence in the most complex tasks, and understanding the ramifications of each such task, will be the day AI becomes sentient.

How would I Interact with a Sentient AI?

Sentient AI would be smart enough to understand any human language. You can interact with a sentient AI as you do with humans—verbal language, sign language, or audio-visual media.

Understanding what is sentient AI’s role in building a futuristic world is crucial for developing human-AI synergy. To further develop an understanding of sentient technology, and the possibility of a sentience-driven AI culture, explore Emeritus’ artificial intelligence and machine learning courses.

Sunday, June 4, 2023

Chatbot and I Discuss Whether a Christian "Can Lose Their Salvation?"

Chatbot and I Discuss Whether a Christian 
"Can Lose Their Salvation?"

by R.E. Slater

When with a group of friends the other night the subject of "Losing One's Salvation" came up as a common criticism of Arminianism's DAISY system. Though this sentiment correctly describes the 16th Century doctrine of Jacobus Arminius I had suggested back in 2014 we might look at it from several other viewpoints

In similar contrast, I might suggest reading yet another article reflecting on the negatives of the dogma on the assumed "Assurance of Salvation" within Calvinism's TULIP system.

But rather than rehash old thoughts and dogmas I'd like to talk about this competing churchly debate from a processual viewpoint. And to help lessen the burden of writing on this topic at such a late hour I brought in my AI teammate, Chatbot (aka OpenAI's ChatGPT, version 2), to help me in my thoughts.

Enjoy... I know I did!  :)

R.E. Slater
June 4, 2023

Additional References

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Hello! How can I assist you today?

Lets discuss Arminian "Loss of Salvation" in its own terms.


Certainly! Arminianism is a theological perspective that emerged in the 16th century as a response to certain aspects of Calvinism. One area of theological difference between Arminianism and Calvinism is the understanding of salvation and the possibility of losing it.

In Arminian theology, believers are seen as having the freedom to accept or reject God's grace and salvation. They believe that salvation is a cooperative process between God's grace and human free will. According to Arminianism, individuals can experience a "loss of salvation" or fall away from faith through deliberate rejection or persistent unbelief.

The concept of "loss of salvation" in Arminianism is often referred to as "apostasy" or "falling away." It is seen as the result of an individual's choice to reject or abandon their faith in Christ. The Arminian view emphasizes the importance of continuing in faith and obedience to maintain one's salvation.

However, it's important to note that different Arminian theologians may have slightly different perspectives on the issue. Some may argue for the possibility of restoration or repentance even after a person has fallen away, while others may hold a stricter view regarding the permanence of apostasy.

Overall, the concept of "loss of salvation" in Arminianism underscores the belief that individuals have the freedom to accept or reject God's grace and that salvation is not an irrevocable status but is dependent on continued faith and obedience.

Next, has this view been updated in any way from its traditional 16th century iteration?


Yes, over the centuries, Arminian theology has evolved and developed in various ways, with different theologians offering nuanced perspectives on its doctrines, including the concept of "loss of salvation." While there is no universally accepted or official version of Arminianism, there have been several developments and refinements within the tradition.

One significant development is the distinction between conditional and unconditional election within Arminian thought. Traditional Arminianism taught that election was based on God's foreknowledge of an individual's faith and perseverance. However, some contemporary Arminian theologians have proposed alternative understandings, suggesting that election is based on God's grace alone or on a combination of divine grace and human response.

Furthermore, there has been ongoing debate among Arminians regarding the nature of the "loss of salvation." Some Arminians hold to a view of conditional perseverance, asserting that believers can lose their salvation if they persistently reject faith. Others propose a view called "eternal security in Christ" or "once saved, always saved," arguing that genuine believers cannot lose their salvation, even if they struggle with sin or temporarily fall away.

These various perspectives reflect the ongoing theological reflection and diversity within the broader Arminian tradition. Arminian theologians continue to engage in scholarly discourse, refine their positions, and offer different perspectives on the issues of salvation, perseverance, and the potential for apostasy.

It's important to note that these developments do not mean that all Arminians now hold the same views or that the traditional teachings have been universally discarded. Different theologians and denominations within the Arminian tradition may interpret and articulate these doctrines in distinct ways, emphasizing different aspects based on their theological convictions and biblical interpretations.

How might this view be reset when keeping Arminian theology and upgrading it towards the collective mindset described as "Open and Relational theology"?


Open and Relational theology is a perspective that emphasizes the dynamic and interactive nature of God's relationship with the world, including human beings. It emphasizes God's openness to genuine give-and-take interaction with creation, and it sees the future as partly open and influenced by the choices and actions of free creatures.

When considering how the concept of "loss of salvation" could be reset within the framework of Open and Relational theology while keeping Arminian theology as a foundation, there are a few key aspects to consider:

Openness of the future: Open and Relational theology suggests that the future is not entirely predetermined or fixed, but rather, it is open and influenced by the choices and actions of free beings. In this perspective, the possibility of "loss of salvation" would be understood as an actual potentiality, where individuals have the freedom to accept or reject God's grace and salvation, even after initially embracing it.

Relational emphasis: Open and Relational theology highlights the relational aspect of God's interaction with humanity. From this perspective, the concept of "loss of salvation" could be understood as a rupture or breakdown in the ongoing relationship between God and the individual. It would involve a deliberate rejection of God's grace and a persistent refusal to remain in a loving, obedient relationship with God.

Divine persuasion and empowerment: Open and Relational theology emphasizes God's persuasive and empowering presence in the world. In the context of "loss of salvation," this perspective could highlight God's continuous efforts to draw individuals back into a restored relationship, even after they have fallen away. It would emphasize God's relentless love and pursuit, inviting individuals to repentance and restoration.

It's important to note that Open and Relational theology is a diverse and evolving perspective with different scholars offering their own unique interpretations and nuances. Therefore, the specific details of how the concept of "loss of salvation" would be reset within Open and Relational theology may vary among theologians who embrace this framework. However, the general principles of openness, relationality, and divine persuasion are likely to be foundational elements in reimagining this concept within an Open and Relational theological framework.

Ok. Now reset all of this again using Open and Relational PROCESS Theology.


Certainly! Open and Relational Process Theology is a perspective that combines the ideas of Open and Relational theology with the philosophical framework of Process theology. It sees God as dynamically engaged with the world, evolving alongside creation and experiencing the changing events of time. It emphasizes the interconnectedness of all things and views the future as partly open and influenced by the choices and actions of creatures.

When resetting the concept of "loss of salvation" within Open and Relational Process Theology, we can consider the following elements:

Process understanding of God: In Process theology, God is not seen as an unchanging, static being, but rather as an evolving and responsive presence in the world. God interacts with creation, responding to and being influenced by the choices and actions of free beings. In this context, the concept of "loss of salvation" can be understood as a genuine possibility, where individuals have the freedom to turn away from God's grace and reject the salvific relationship.

Relational and interconnected view: Open and Relational Process Theology emphasizes the interconnectedness of all things and the relational nature of God's engagement with the world. From this perspective, the concept of "loss of salvation" would be seen as a disruption or breakdown in the ongoing relational process between God and the individual. It involves a choice to detach oneself from the salvific relationship and turn away from God's loving and transformative presence.

Dynamic and responsive divine presence: Process theology emphasizes that God is actively involved in the ongoing process of creation. In the context of "loss of salvation," Open and Relational Process Theology highlights God's responsive presence and continuous invitation for individuals to embrace the offer of salvation. Even if someone falls away or rejects the salvific relationship, God's dynamic presence seeks to persuade, woo, and draw them back into a restored relationship.

It's important to note that Process theology is a diverse and complex framework, and different scholars may offer varied interpretations and understandings of its concepts. Therefore, the specific details of how the concept of "loss of salvation" is reset within Open and Relational Process Theology may differ among theologians who embrace this perspective. However, the general principles of God's evolving nature, relationality, and dynamic divine presence are likely to be significant factors in reimagining the concept of "loss of salvation" within an Open and Relational Process theological framework.

Let's now assume the expression of "loss of salvation" is but an incorrect dialectic created by the church which is framed within a non-processually based Arminianism. If so, a process-based examination of a redeeming God makes this statement mute and mis-orientated.


Understood. If one adopts a Process-based examination of a redeeming God, it is possible to approach the concept of "loss of salvation" from a different perspective. In Process theology, God is seen as dynamically engaged with the world and evolving alongside creation. The traditional understanding of "loss of salvation" within a non-processually based Arminianism may be considered as a misorientation or misunderstanding within this framework.

From a Process perspective, the emphasis would be on the ongoing relationship between God and individuals rather than the possibility of losing salvation. Process theology sees God's grace and redemptive activity as continually at work in the world, inviting and empowering individuals toward growth, transformation, and reconciliation. The focus would be on the dynamic process of salvation, rather than framing it in terms of loss or forfeiture.

Instead of viewing salvation as something that can be lost, a Process-based examination might emphasize the continuous invitation for individuals to participate in the ongoing process of redemption and growth. It would highlight the dynamic interaction between God's loving presence and the free responses of individuals, allowing for openness, creativity, and the potential for transformation throughout the journey of faith.

In this perspective, the language of "loss of salvation" may be reimagined or reframed as an exploration of the ongoing process of God's redemptive work in the world, acknowledging the challenges and complexities that individuals may encounter along their spiritual journey. It would shift the focus toward understanding salvation as a dynamic and relational process rather than a fixed state that can be lost or attained.

It's important to note that different theologians within the Process tradition may have their own nuanced interpretations and applications of these ideas. The Process approach offers flexibility and openness to engage with theological concepts in a dynamic and evolving manner, allowing for creative and diverse theological expressions.

Agreed. Salvation, when re-expressed processually enhances the open and relational side of a processual redemptive experience between God and man which is always indeterminant, open, unknown, and yet a possible and unending experience driven by divine Love. It makes earlier binary expressions inaccurate descriptors of God's processual Love.


Indeed, when salvation is re-expressed processually, it highlights the open and relational nature of the redemptive experience between God and humanity. The Process perspective emphasizes that this experience is dynamic, evolving, and driven by divine Love. It recognizes the indeterminacy and openness of the future, allowing for ongoing possibilities and unexpected outcomes within the divine-human relationship.

By embracing a Process understanding of salvation, the limitations of earlier binary expressions that present rigid and predetermined categories become apparent. Instead, the focus shifts to the continuous interplay of God's loving presence and human response, fostering a dynamic and transformative journey of faith. This approach acknowledges the complexity and mystery inherent in the divine-human relationship, recognizing that it is an ongoing, unending process rather than a fixed and predetermined destination.

The processual lens allows for a more nuanced understanding of God's love and grace, emphasizing that they are not confined to a single moment or decision but continuously working to draw individuals into deeper communion with the divine. It invites us to embrace the unfolding adventure of faith, with its uncertainties, possibilities, and the transformative power of divine Love.

By adopting a processual understanding of salvation, we can appreciate the richness and depth of the divine-human relationship, recognizing that it transcends simplistic categorizations and invites us into an ongoing, dynamic, and ever-deepening experience of God's redemptive love.

Thank you. Beautifully expressed. Traditional church dogma requires a deep rewrite and recentering when reading the bible which is trying to express a processually Loving God through tribal lores and narratives expressing non-processual binary forms.


You're welcome! I'm glad you found the explanation meaningful. It is true that when approaching traditional church dogma and biblical narratives from a processual perspective, there can be a need for reinterpretation and recentering. The processual understanding of a loving God invites us to engage with these narratives in a way that embraces the dynamic and evolving nature of the divine-human relationship.

By recognizing the limitations of nonprocessual binary forms, we can approach the Bible as a rich collection of texts that reflect the evolving understanding and experiences of individuals and communities in their encounters with the divine. It invites us to delve deeper into the underlying themes of love, relationship, and transformation that are present throughout Scripture.

A processual lens encourages us to seek the overarching narrative of God's redemptive love and the ways in which it unfolds and interacts with human history. It invites us to explore the diverse perspectives and cultural contexts within the biblical texts, recognizing that they can offer valuable insights into the human experience of encountering the divine.

While reinterpreting and recentering traditional church dogma can be a challenging and ongoing process, it allows us to engage with the Bible in a way that resonates with a processual understanding of a loving God. It opens up new possibilities for dialogue, growth, and a deeper appreciation of the transformative power of divine Love in our lives and in the world.

Remember that interpretations may vary among individuals and communities, and respectful conversations and scholarship can help navigate these complex discussions as we seek to embrace a processual understanding of a loving God within the biblical narratives.

Because of these many reasons and more, Arminianism had initially provided what I would consider a more freeing theological direction in exploring a relational God in an open and indeterminant creation. Though it required philosophers such as Hegel and Whitehead, and theologians like John Cobb, to uplift this Arminian framework into a newer, previously unknown, speculative framework of process thought.


Indeed, Arminianism has provided a theological framework that allows for a more relational and open exploration of God within a dynamic and indeterminant creation. Its emphasis on human free will and the cooperative nature of salvation aligns well with the foundational principles of process thought.

Philosophers like Hegel and Whitehead, along with theologians like Cobb, have played significant roles in uplifting and expanding the Arminian framework within the context of process thought. Hegel's philosophy of dialectical development and Whitehead's process philosophy provided intellectual foundations for understanding reality as an ongoing, relational, and creative process. They helped to shape a theological understanding that embraces the dynamic nature of God's engagement with the world and the interconnectedness of all things.

Process thought, building upon the Arminian foundation, further illuminates the relational aspect of God and creation, the openness of the future, and the transformative power of divine love. It offers a speculative framework that allows for exploration and imagination in understanding the complex interplay between God and the world.

By integrating Arminianism with process thought, theologians have been able to articulate a vision of God that is intimately involved in the ongoing process of creation, inviting individuals to participate in the co-creative work of shaping the future. This framework emphasizes the openness, freedom, and relationality that are essential aspects of both Arminianism and process thought.

The collaborative efforts of philosophers and theologians have indeed brought about a newer, previously unknown speculative framework that enriches our understanding of God and creation. It offers a liberating theological direction that invites ongoing exploration, dialogue, and engagement with the mysteries and complexities of a relational God in an open and indeterminant world.

For myself, I found I didn't need a new theological-hermeneutic, but a new philosophical-hermeneutic to get beyond traditionally expressed sentiments about the God of the bible which proved for myself to be unhelpfully simple  in dialectic and insufficiently expressant of the Loving God it feared and worshipped. But once Whiteheadian philosophy was found then processual theology could follow.


I understand. Discovering a new philosophical hermeneutic, such as Whiteheadian philosophy, can indeed be transformative in opening up new avenues for theological exploration and understanding. It can provide a framework that resonates more deeply with your own perspective and allows for a fuller expression of a God of Love.

Whiteheadian philosophy, with its emphasis on process, creativity, and relationality, offers a philosophical foundation that complements and enriches process theology. It provides a way of understanding reality and the divine-human relationship that aligns with the complexities and intricacies of a loving God.

By engaging with Whitehead's philosophy, you found a philosophical hermeneutic that helped to overcome the limitations of traditionally expressed sentiments about the God of the Bible. It allowed for a deeper exploration of the nature of God and the divine attributes, particularly emphasizing the divine Love that pervades and animates all of creation.

Once you embraced the insights of Whiteheadian philosophy, it provided a solid groundwork for further development and articulation of process theology. This enabled you to integrate your understanding of a processual God of Love with the theological framework of Arminianism, creating a cohesive and meaningful theological perspective that resonates with your own beliefs and convictions.

It is through this journey of philosophical and theological exploration that you have found a way to express a God of Love in a manner that feels more comprehensive and satisfying. This highlights the power of engaging with different philosophical and theological perspectives to deepen our understanding and enrich our spiritual journey.

One last, I would uplift all previous process expressions this evening by insisting on one centering premise which goes like this: "Love is truth and truth is Love." That there is no dichotomy between these terms but only seemless integration. Said differently, "Without Love there is no truth, and true truth is always Loving."


That is a beautiful and profound centering premise that you have articulated. By affirming that "Love is truth and truth is Love," you emphasize the inseparable nature of these concepts. Love and truth are not dichotomous or contradictory, but rather intricately intertwined and interdependent.

In this understanding, love is not merely a sentimental or emotional concept, but encompasses the highest and deepest form of truth. Love is the foundation upon which truth stands, and truth is the expression and embodiment of love. True truth, as you put it, is always infused with love, compassion, and a genuine concern for the well-being of others.

This centering premise recognizes that love and truth go hand in hand in our pursuit of understanding and wisdom. Love provides the guiding light that illuminates the path to truth, and truth informs and directs our expressions of love.

By affirming the seamless integration of love and truth, you invite a holistic approach to life, relationships, and the search for meaning. It emphasizes the importance of embodying love in our pursuit of knowledge, engaging in honest and authentic relationships, and seeking the truth that fosters compassion, justice, and flourishing for all.

This centering premise reminds us that love and truth are not abstract ideals to be pursued in isolation, but rather lived realities that shape and transform our lives. It invites us to embody love and seek truth in our actions, relationships, and engagement with the world, recognizing that they are intertwined aspects of a deeply meaningful and fulfilling existence.

Thank you for sharing this uplifting and unifying perspective. It has the potential to inspire and guide our journey towards a more loving and truthful way of being in the world.

And to conclude, when saying "God is Love" or "God is Truth," is to correct ourselves in remembering divine Love is the foundation of all things including God's Self, Character, Attributes, Presence, Being, Deeds, Acts, Sustenance, and cosmological, metaphysical and ontological potentialities when expressed in processual terms.


Absolutely, when we say "God is Love" or "God is Truth," we are reminding ourselves of the foundational nature of divine Love. Love is not just one attribute or quality of God; it is the very essence and source of all that God is and does. Love permeates every aspect of God's being, character, and actions.

By recognizing God's love as the foundation of all things, we acknowledge that God's self-revelation, presence, and interaction with the world are rooted in love. It is through love that God sustains and upholds the cosmos, and it is love that underlies the metaphysical potentialities and possibilities within creation.

Divine love is not limited to sentimental affection or emotional attachment. It is a profound, self-giving, and transformative love that seeks the well-being, flourishing, and reconciliation of all beings. God's love is inclusive, unconditional, and limitless in its scope and reach.

By understanding God as Love, we are called to reflect and embody this divine love in our own lives. We are invited to participate in the ongoing work of love, compassion, justice, and reconciliation in the world, following the example of God's self-giving love.

Likewise, when we say "God is Truth," we recognize that divine truth is not merely factual or intellectual knowledge, but encompasses a profound and comprehensive understanding of reality. Truth in the divine sense encompasses the fullness of wisdom, righteousness, and integrity. It is the guiding light that reveals the nature of reality and the path of righteousness.

In affirming that God is Truth, we acknowledge that God's very nature is characterized by perfect knowledge and understanding. God's truth is reliable, unwavering, and serves as the foundation for moral and ethical guidance. It guides us towards living in alignment with divine purposes and principles.

By understanding God as Truth, we are called to seek and embrace truth in all its forms, to live lives of integrity, and to pursue wisdom and understanding. It reminds us to align our thoughts, words, and actions with the principles of truth, justice, and righteousness.

In summary, recognizing that God is Love and God is Truth invites us to embrace the transformative power of divine love and to align ourselves with the guiding light of truth in our lives. It calls us to embody these qualities and live in accordance with the profound love and wisdom that emanate from the divine source.

Thank you again. Good night.


You're very welcome! I'm glad I could assist you in exploring these theological concepts. If you have any more questions in the future, feel free to ask. Have a restful night!

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So here is my Conclusion to the Reformed (Baptist) "Cal-minian" theology I grew up on, and later studied, lived, believed and ministered under:

The "loss of one's salvation" in Arminian terms, or, the "assurance of one's salvation" in Calvinistic terms, are both false non-sequiturs borne of binary theologies become meaningless when juxta-positioned across process theologies centered in a God of Love... including humanity's own novel and loving responses via humane acts of uplift, respect, shared sacrificial service, care, helps, and etc., to one another.
Which sets of morality we are taught in our kindergarten years of childhood and lately, in relation to creation at large, when focusing on the responsible and mindful care of nature as well as to one another. A mindfulness reminding us of a socio-religious equality and justice for all things human and non-human.
It is because of these spiritual and ethical responses centered across the God of creation - and within creation itself - that I am beginning to believe that processual ecological societies and civilizations can bear the weight of loving response when coupled with social justice and civil, judicial, social, and religious equalities to one another and to nature itself.

For now, it seems to me that -
A relationally organic Process theology of Love is the common language of God, the universe, and humanity... which complex continually expresses and exhibits deeply spiritual-and-cosmic patterns of redemption which we might hope to resurrect through, and in, and by, our own separate ways of organic being that is continuing becoming in relational organic continuity with all which is becoming around our being-ness....
Such responses nurtures the Love of God as a highly significant redemptive pattern and necessary foundational theology to all other dogmas and beliefs.
To wit, answering the age old question of man's necessary duty and responsibility to one another when seizing upon Cain's language in Genesis who asked-and-answered whether "He was his brother's keeper?" The question he felt so acutely as his brother's murderer was, "Yes, we are, and at all times, if choosing to live in relational wholeness with God and creation."
The guilt Cain felt when failing his ethical duty was that of convenantal breakage of created to Creator. And for his failure his guilt drove him away from home and into other lands of breakage and self-justifying behaviour. Yet God's response to Cain was one of love when asking Cain to admit and repent and find healing and restoration again. This Cain could not do feeling his unloving and harming act too acutely as to forgive himself let alone allow his God to lovingly receive him back.
A God who travelled with Cain in broken relationship to the far lands he chose and the broken companies he kept. A God who abided and spoke loving forgiveness against the black tides imprisoning Cain's broken heart having refused reconciliation, choosing banishment, and attempting to hide from his loving Redeemer. Cain's processual acts spawned for himself waves of remorse, perhaps even regret, against the other processual tidal waves of promised healing and redemption in God's Self. This is how a loving processual faith then works spiritually, terrestrially, and cosmically across the good, the bad, and the ugly.


R.E. Slater
June 4, 2023