Quotes & Sayings


We, and creation itself, actualize the possibilities of the God who sustains the world, towards becoming in the world in a fuller, more deeper way. - R.E. Slater

There is urgency in coming to see the world as a web of interrelated processes of which we are integral parts, so that all of our choices and actions have [consequential effects upon] the world around us. - Process Metaphysician Alfred North Whitehead

Kurt Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem says (i) all closed systems are unprovable within themselves and, that (ii) all open systems are rightly understood as incomplete. - R.E. Slater

The most true thing about you is what God has said to you in Christ, "You are My Beloved." - Tripp Fuller

The God among us is the God who refuses to be God without us, so great is God's Love. - Tripp Fuller

According to some Christian outlooks we were made for another world. Perhaps, rather, we were made for this world to recreate, reclaim, redeem, and renew unto God's future aspiration by the power of His Spirit. - R.E. Slater

Our eschatological ethos is to love. To stand with those who are oppressed. To stand against those who are oppressing. It is that simple. Love is our only calling and Christian Hope. - R.E. Slater

Secularization theory has been massively falsified. We don't live in an age of secularity. We live in an age of explosive, pervasive religiosity... an age of religious pluralism. - Peter L. Berger

Exploring the edge of life and faith in a post-everything world. - Todd Littleton

I don't need another reason to believe, your love is all around for me to see. – Anon

Thou art our need; and in giving us more of thyself thou givest us all. - Khalil Gibran, Prayer XXIII

Be careful what you pretend to be. You become what you pretend to be. - Kurt Vonnegut

Religious beliefs, far from being primary, are often shaped and adjusted by our social goals. - Jim Forest

We become who we are by what we believe and can justify. - R.E. Slater

People, even more than things, need to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed, and redeemed; never throw out anyone. – Anon

Certainly, God's love has made fools of us all. - R.E. Slater

An apocalyptic Christian faith doesn't wait for Jesus to come, but for Jesus to become in our midst. - R.E. Slater

Christian belief in God begins with the cross and resurrection of Jesus, not with rational apologetics. - Eberhard Jüngel, Jürgen Moltmann

Our knowledge of God is through the 'I-Thou' encounter, not in finding God at the end of a syllogism or argument. There is a grave danger in any Christian treatment of God as an object. The God of Jesus Christ and Scripture is irreducibly subject and never made as an object, a force, a power, or a principle that can be manipulated. - Emil Brunner

“Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh” means "I will be that who I have yet to become." - God (Ex 3.14) or, conversely, “I AM who I AM Becoming.”

Our job is to love others without stopping to inquire whether or not they are worthy. - Thomas Merton

The church is God's world-changing social experiment of bringing unlikes and differents to the Eucharist/Communion table to share life with one another as a new kind of family. When this happens, we show to the world what love, justice, peace, reconciliation, and life together is designed by God to be. The church is God's show-and-tell for the world to see how God wants us to live as a blended, global, polypluralistic family united with one will, by one Lord, and baptized by one Spirit. – Anon

The cross that is planted at the heart of the history of the world cannot be uprooted. - Jacques Ellul

The Unity in whose loving presence the universe unfolds is inside each person as a call to welcome the stranger, protect animals and the earth, respect the dignity of each person, think new thoughts, and help bring about ecological civilizations. - John Cobb & Farhan A. Shah

If you board the wrong train it is of no use running along the corridors of the train in the other direction. - Dietrich Bonhoeffer

God's justice is restorative rather than punitive; His discipline is merciful rather than punishing; His power is made perfect in weakness; and His grace is sufficient for all. – Anon

Our little [biblical] systems have their day; they have their day and cease to be. They are but broken lights of Thee, and Thou, O God art more than they. - Alfred Lord Tennyson

We can’t control God; God is uncontrollable. God can’t control us; God’s love is uncontrolling! - Thomas Jay Oord

Life in perspective but always in process... as we are relational beings in process to one another, so life events are in process in relation to each event... as God is to Self, is to world, is to us... like Father, like sons and daughters, like events... life in process yet always in perspective. - R.E. Slater

To promote societal transition to sustainable ways of living and a global society founded on a shared ethical framework which includes respect and care for the community of life, ecological integrity, universal human rights, respect for diversity, economic justice, democracy, and a culture of peace. - The Earth Charter Mission Statement

Christian humanism is the belief that human freedom, individual conscience, and unencumbered rational inquiry are compatible with the practice of Christianity or even intrinsic in its doctrine. It represents a philosophical union of Christian faith and classical humanist principles. - Scott Postma

It is never wise to have a self-appointed religious institution determine a nation's moral code. The opportunities for moral compromise and failure are high; the moral codes and creeds assuredly racist, discriminatory, or subjectively and religiously defined; and the pronouncement of inhumanitarian political objectives quite predictable. - R.E. Slater

God's love must both center and define the Christian faith and all religious or human faiths seeking human and ecological balance in worlds of subtraction, harm, tragedy, and evil. - R.E. Slater

In Whitehead’s process ontology, we can think of the experiential ground of reality as an eternal pulse whereby what is objectively public in one moment becomes subjectively prehended in the next, and whereby the subject that emerges from its feelings then perishes into public expression as an object (or “superject”) aiming for novelty. There is a rhythm of Being between object and subject, not an ontological division. This rhythm powers the creative growth of the universe from one occasion of experience to the next. This is the Whiteheadian mantra: “The many become one and are increased by one.” - Matthew Segall

Without Love there is no Truth. And True Truth is always Loving. There is no dichotomy between these terms but only seamless integration. This is the premier centering focus of a Processual Theology of Love. - R.E. Slater

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Note: Generally I do not respond to commentary. I may read the comments but wish to reserve my time to write (or write from the comments I read). Instead, I'd like to see our community help one another and in the helping encourage and exhort each of us towards Christian love in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. - re slater

Thursday, February 5, 2026

A Reframing of Hypothetical Q in Christian Creedal Conversation


A Reframing of Hypothetical Q
in Christian Creedal Conversation

From Prophetic Voice to Divine Presence
How Early Christianity Learned to Speak About Jesus

by R.E. Slater & ChatGPT

Language grows where experience
presses hardest without resolve.
The deepest truths are not invented.
They are learned when older grammars
can no longer bear their weight.
- R.E. Slater


The Q source (from German Quelle, "source") is a hypothetical, earlier written document, likely initially composed of Jesus' sayings, used by Matthew and Luke alongside Mark to construct their Gospels. Believed to have originated around 50–70 CE, Q contains material common to Matthew and Luke but absent from Mark, such as the Sermon on the Mount/Plain or the Birth of Jesus.

What Q Does Not Include (but Matthew and Luke do):
  • Birth Narratives: The stories of the Wise Men/Herod (Matthew) and the Shepherds/Census (Luke) are not in Q.
  • Passion/Resurrection Narratives: The detailed accounts of Jesus's final days.
  • Contextual Framing: Q is widely considered a "sayings gospel" lacking the narrative, chronological structure provided in the Gospels.
  • Specific Miracles: While Q has some, many unique miracles are in Matthew/Luke's independent sources (M or L).
What Q Does Include (shared by Matthew and Luke):
  • The Lord’s Prayer (Matthew 6:9–13, Luke 11:2–4).
  • The Beatitudes (Matthew 5:3–12, Luke 6:20–23).
  • The Temptation of Jesus by the devil (Matthew 4:1–11, Luke 4:1–13).
  • Sayings on judgment and the coming Kingdom.
In essence, the hypothetical Q focuses on the teachings and sayings of Jesus, excluding the biographical narratives that Matthew and Luke otherwise share or independently include.


Preface

Modern discussions of Christian origins often polarize around two competing instincts. One seeks to defend traditional doctrinal conclusions as timeless and complete from Christianity’s inception. The other attempts to peel back later theological developments in order to recover a supposedly simpler and more authentic Jesus. Both approaches, in different ways, flatten the historical texture of early Christianity.

This essay proceeds from a different assumption.

Early Christianity was not born with a finished Christology. It was born with an experience. That experience was gradually interpreted, narrated, theologized, and articulated across multiple conceptual registers. The earliest followers of Jesus did not begin by asking who Jesus was in himself. They began by asking what had happened among them and what God had done through Jesus.

Only later did ontological language emerge.

The purpose of this essay is not to adjudicate between competing source theories, nor to construct a systematic Christology. Its aim is more modest and more foundational. It seeks to trace the developmental movement from Jesus experienced as a prophetic voice to Jesus understood as more than a prophetic voice, the Son of God, God Incarnate. In doing so, it offers a historical and theological framework in which debates about Q, early Christology, and later incarnation language can be understood as stages within a single unfolding process of recognition.


Introduction

Scholars frequently describe research into early Christian sources as technical, specialized, and remote from contemporary theological concerns. Yet beneath discussions of textual relationships, hypothetical documents, and redactional layers lies a persistent human question.

What did the earliest followers of Jesus believe they had encountered?

This question does not arise first at the level of metaphysical speculation. It arises at the level of experience. The earliest Jesus-movements encountered a figure whose words, actions, and fate generated a profound sense that God had acted decisively within history. That conviction preceded doctrinal clarity. It preceded metaphysical precision. It even preceded agreed-upon narrative forms.

The question, therefore, is not whether early Christianity began with high Christology or low Christology. The more accurate question is how early communities gradually learned to speak about an encounter that exceeded their inherited categories, their prophetic grammars, their ideas about God.

This essay argues that early Christianity moved along a developmental arc: Jesus was first remembered and transmitted as a prophetic mediator of God’s reign. Following experiences interpreted as resurrection with ongoing presence, early communities increasingly found prophetic categories insufficient. Language expanded. Titles multiplied. Conceptual pressure grew. Divinity became a conclusion rather than an initial premise.

Recognized presence preceded recognized divinity.

The language of the early church had no language for Jesus' singularity. After reflection on Jesus' life, ministry, death, and resurrection, it expanded its language, its concepts, its theology, and its ontology.

This took decades....

And it is seen in the language of its earliest supposed hypothetical sources which began with Jesus' sayings (30-60 CE) then expanded under Paul (50-65 CE) and settled into the synoptics (65-90 CE) and later New Testament tracts (John et al, 90-110 CE).


I. The Developmental Arc (200 BCE → 160 CE)

Here is a compressed historical map:
 
A. Jewish Conceptual World (200–30 BCE)

Second Temple Judaism already had categories for:
  • Prophets
  • Spirit-filled teachers
  • Wisdom personified
  • Angelic mediators
  • Messiah (royal, priestly, prophetic)
But not:
  • Incarnation in a Greek metaphysical sense
  • A divine-human hypostatic union
So Jesus’ earliest followers inevitably interpreted him using Jewish categories first.
 
B. Earliest Jesus-Movements (30–60 CE)

Jesus remembered as:
  • Spirit-anointed prophet
  • Teacher of God’s reign
  • Healer and exorcist
  • Eschatological herald
Language used:
  • “Son of Man” (apocalyptic figure)
  • “Servant”
  • “Prophet like Moses”
Language not used yet:
  • Pre-existent Logos
  • Eternal Son in ontological sense
This is the world that Q-style sayings fit into.
 
C. Pauline Expansion (50–65 CE)

Paul the Apostle - Paul’s letters show a major step forward:
  • Jesus is exalted by God
  • Jesus participates in divine activity
  • Jesus shares in God’s name and glory
But Paul still speaks dynamically:
  • God exalted Jesus.
  • God gave him the name above every name.
This is functional divinity before fully articulated ontological divinity.
 
D. Narrative Christology (65–90 CE)

Gospel of Mark
  • Jesus as suffering Messiah
  • Son of God declared at baptism and transfiguration
  • Identity unveiled through the cross
Still relatively low metaphysics.

Gospel of Matthew
Gospel of Luke

  • Virgin conception
  • Jesus as Son from birth
Stronger sense of divine initiative is developing in the church's language.
Divinity is being understood as moving earlier in Jesus’ story than it had in the early church.
 
E. High Christology (90–110 CE)

Gospel of John
  • Pre-existent Logos
  • “The Word was God”
  • Jesus consciously speaks from divine identity
This is the first clear, sustained ontological incarnation theology.
 
F. Second-Century Consolidation (110–160 CE)

Church Fathers begin:
  • Defending Jesus’ divinity against critics
  • Clarifying relation between Father and Son
  • Using Greek metaphysical vocabulary
Ontological Divine concepts are still fluid in the church's language.
It's Nicene and Chalcedonian Creeds are centuries away.

II. The Question Beneath Q

The hypothetical Q source is typically defined as a collection of sayings shared by Matthew and Luke but absent from Mark. While debates about its existence-and-form continue, its significance does not rest primarily in its hypothetical status. Its significance lies in what the material attributed to it emphasizes.

The sayings of Jesus which are commonly associated with Q focus on ethical instruction, prophetic warning, and wisdom discourse. They present Jesus as announcing the nearness of God’s reign, calling for repentance, demanding radical love, and pronouncing blessing and woe. Narrative elements are sparse. Passion narratives are absent. Birth stories do not appear. Resurrection accounts are lacking.

This profile has often been interpreted as evidence of an early Jesus tradition unconcerned with Jesus’ divine identity. That conclusion, however, overreaches.

The more restrained inference is that the earliest recoverable layer of tradition reflects what communities first remembered as most urgent. They remembered what Jesus said and how he spoke. They remembered a voice that confronted, comforted, and summoned.

Q scholarship, at its best, is not asking whether Jesus was divine. It is asking what mode of remembrance came first.

The answer suggested by the material is that Jesus was first remembered as a voice speaking God’s will into concrete historical circumstances.


III. Jesus as Prophetic Voice

Within the Jewish tradition, prophets do not function primarily as predictors of distant futures. They function as bearers of divine message. They speak from within God’s concern for the covenantal life of the community. Their authority does not derive from philosophical argument but from perceived divine commission.

The earliest Jesus traditions portray him squarely within this prophetic stream. He announces God’s reign. He confronts injustice. He calls Israel back to covenantal fidelity. He speaks in parables, aphorisms, and warnings. He addresses everyday life while invoking ultimate accountability.

To describe Jesus as a prophet is not to reduce his significance. In Israel’s symbolic world, prophets stand at the boundary between heaven and earth. They mediate divine concern. They embody God’s pathos.

What is striking in the earliest sayings traditions is the intensity of Jesus’ authority. He does not merely interpret earlier prophets. He speaks as one who assumes direct access to God’s purposes. Yet no explanation is offered for this authority. It is simply encountered.

Presence is experienced before it is explained. In fact, this was the Jewish expectation. It was what they knew and knew how to identify with. They had not language for incarnation, divine birth, or global redemptive expiation.


IV. The Shock of Easter and the Expansion of Meaning

The execution of Jesus created a crisis. If Jesus were only a prophetic teacher, his death could be interpreted as tragic but final. Yet the earliest communities did not interpret it that way. In hindsight, they saw what they hadn't seen before while Jesus was living. This is all too clearly portrayed at Jesus' Last Supper with his disciples. When written of in the synoptic gospels it was the early church's language for saying, "We didn't understand who Jesus was until afterwards...."

Experiences interpreted as resurrection did not function primarily as proofs in an evidentiary sense. They functioned as catalysts for reinterpretation. They convinced early followers that Jesus’ significance had not ended with his death. God had vindicated him.

This conviction generated new questions.

  • If God has vindicated Jesus, what does that imply about who Jesus was?
  • Why does his presence feel ongoing and not concluded?
  • Why does devotion to Jesus seem inseparable from devotion to God?

These questions did not arise in the abstract. They arose because experience exerted pressure on inherited categories.

Prophetic language, while still valid, began to feel insufficient. The followers of Jesus needed a new grammar.


V. From Voice to Presence

A subtle but decisive shift occurs in early Christian language.

Jesus is no longer only one who speaks God’s word. He is increasingly spoken of as one in whom God’s presence is somehow concentrated. Not "a voice of God" but "THE Voice of God"!

Early Christian texts begin to attribute to Jesus' activities as associated with God alone as seen in the later developed Gospel texts:

  • Forgiveness of sins.
  • Authority over ultimate destiny.
  • Mediation of salvation.
  • Participation in divine glory.

This stage is best described as functional Christology. Jesus does what God does. Jesus exercises divine prerogatives. Yet these affirmations remain largely relational rather than metaphysical. They describe what Jesus does and how Jesus functions within God’s saving activity. They do not yet specify what Jesus' Person is in ontological terms.

Function precedes essence.


VI. Why Divinity Language Emerges

Divinity language emerges not from speculative curiosity but from conceptual necessity.

Early communities discover that prophetic categories cannot carry the full weight of their experience. Exalted human (sic, supra-human) categories strain. Angelic categories strain. Wisdom language stretches but still does not fully suffice.

The question becomes unavoidable.

What kind of reality must Jesus participate in if God’s own life is disclosed through him?

Incarnated Divinity becomes the strongest available language capable of naming that depth of participation. It is not introduced to elevate Jesus artificially. It is introduced because weaker language collapses under the pressure of experience.

Divinity is a theological conclusion.


VII. "Q" Reconsidered

Seen within this framework, Q does not represent a community that denied Jesus’ significance. It represents a community living closest to the earliest register of Jesus's reframed-recognition.

  • Jesus as prophetic mediator of God’s reign.
  • Jesus as bearer of Divine authority.
  • Jesus as God's Voice.

Later traditions live closer to subsequent, conclusding/summarizing registers.

  • Jesus as exalted presence.
  • Jesus as participant in divine identity.
  • Jesus as incarnate Logos.

These are not competing Jesuses. They are successive interpretive stages responding to the same encounter but across differing eras. The earliest eras were trying to understand Jesus... the later eras centuries later were summarizing all those newly birthed grammars they had inherited.


VIII. Development Without Contradiction

Early Christianity did not face a binary choice between Jesus the prophet and Jesus the divine. Its actual movement can be traced as a continuum.

  1. Prophetic voice.
  2. Transparent mediator.
  3. Exalted Lord.
  4. Participant in divine identity.
  5. Incarnate Word.

Each stage presupposes the earlier one. None cancels out the ones previous to it. Development does not equal invention. It equals better, more eloquent articulation according to the era that it is speaking within.


Conclusion

The earliest followers of Jesus did not begin by asking who Jesus was in himself. They began by asking what God had done among them. Their language grew as their reflection deepened. Their categories expanded as experience demanded more adequate expression.

Recognized presence preceded recognized divinity.

This historical pattern does not weaken Christian faith. It clarifies it. It locates Christology not in speculative abstraction but in lived encounter. It shows doctrine arising from devotion, theology emerging from experience, and metaphysics following worship.

Early Christianity learned to speak about Jesus because it first learned TO LISTEN, THEN EXAMINE,  what had happened through him.



Christ as Becoming

Heard first as a Voice in the wilderness
that became a Fire in the bones.
Then a Presence that would not leave
and Name too great for silence.
Those who heard spoke
because they had to....
They named what was loved -
which was Love misunderstood.
These early pioneers reached
for God's presence only to find
this named God reaching back.
Through a singular human life
crying, "Follow Me," urging
more to follow Love's Cross.


R.E. Slater
February 5, 2026
@copyright R.E. Slater Publications
all rights reserved



Bibliography


Bauckham, Richard. Jesus and the God of Israel: God Crucified and Other Studies on the New Testament’s Christology of Divine Identity. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2008.

Borg, Marcus J. Conflict, Holiness, and Politics in the Teachings of Jesus. New York: Continuum, 1998.

Dunn, James D. G. Christology in the Making: A New Testament Inquiry into the Origins of the Doctrine of the Incarnation. 2nd ed. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1996.

Ehrman, Bart D. How Jesus Became God: The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee. New York: HarperOne, 2014.

Horsley, Richard A. Jesus and the Spiral of Violence. Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 1993.

Kloppenborg, John S. Excavating Q: The History and Setting of the Sayings Gospel. Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 2000.

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Wright, N. T. The Resurrection of the Son of God. Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 2003.


Appendix A


The chart above is a historical revision of actual history as explained in the essay. Here, the formal creeds: Old Roman, Apostles’, Nicene, Nicene-Constantinopolitan, Latin Nicene, each are presented 
as if they are:
  • Ancient, original, and directly continuous with apostolic belief.
But historically, what they actually represent is something different:
  • Later theological syntheses projected backward as summaries of earlier faith.
That does not mean they are dishonest.

It means they are retrospective constructions.
They are interpretive lenses, not stenographic transcripts.

Creeds as Retrospective Theological Syntheses

Early Christian creeds are often treated as if they offer direct access to the beliefs of the earliest Jesus-movements. Their antiquity, liturgical use, and authoritative status can create the impression that they function as transparent windows into first-century Christian consciousness. Historically, however, creeds operate in a different register.

Creeds are not origin documents.

They are boundary-setting, after-the-fact, summaries.

They arise at moments of doctrinal contestation in order to stabilize communal identity, exclude interpretations judged unacceptable, and provide shared language for worship.

As such, creeds preserve later theological conclusions, not the full developmental pathways by which those conclusions emerged.

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The historical sequence traced in this essay moves:

from Experience --> Interpretation --> Ontological articulation

from Encounter with Jesus → Recognition of divine presence → Functional language → Ontological language.

Creeds reverse this order rhetorically. They begin with settled metaphysical claims about God and Christ and present these claims as the grammar of faith itself. This rhetorical reversal can obscure the earlier, more fluid stages of Christian reflection in which Jesus was first encountered as prophetic voice and only gradually interpreted as more-than-prophetic presence.

This does not render creeds false or illegitimate. Rather, it situates them properly as compressed theological crystallizations. They function like final paragraphs of a long argument. But when mistaken for the entire historical argument, distortion occurs. However, when creedal development is read as historic summaries, or conclusions, drawn from centuries of reflection, their purpose becomes clearer.

Seen in this light, historic creeds may be understood as retrospective syntheses. They gather together multiple streams of earlier interpretation and present them in stabilized form. They speak from the vantage point of theological maturity, not from the vantage point of initial encounter.

Recognizing this historical dynamic allows contemporary readers to honor the creeds without confusing them with the earliest layers of Christian experience. It also restores visibility to the developmental process by which early communities learned to speak about Jesus. That process moves not from doctrine to experience, but from experience to doctrine.

Creeds preserve where Christianity arrived.
They do not narrate how Christianity first began.

- r.e. slater