Quotes & Sayings


We, and creation itself, actualize the possibilities of the God who sustains the world, towards becoming in the world in a fuller, more deeper way. - R.E. Slater

There is urgency in coming to see the world as a web of interrelated processes of which we are integral parts, so that all of our choices and actions have [consequential effects upon] the world around us. - Process Metaphysician Alfred North Whitehead

Kurt Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem says (i) all closed systems are unprovable within themselves and, that (ii) all open systems are rightly understood as incomplete. - R.E. Slater

The most true thing about you is what God has said to you in Christ, "You are My Beloved." - Tripp Fuller

The God among us is the God who refuses to be God without us, so great is God's Love. - Tripp Fuller

According to some Christian outlooks we were made for another world. Perhaps, rather, we were made for this world to recreate, reclaim, redeem, and renew unto God's future aspiration by the power of His Spirit. - R.E. Slater

Our eschatological ethos is to love. To stand with those who are oppressed. To stand against those who are oppressing. It is that simple. Love is our only calling and Christian Hope. - R.E. Slater

Secularization theory has been massively falsified. We don't live in an age of secularity. We live in an age of explosive, pervasive religiosity... an age of religious pluralism. - Peter L. Berger

Exploring the edge of life and faith in a post-everything world. - Todd Littleton

I don't need another reason to believe, your love is all around for me to see. – Anon

Thou art our need; and in giving us more of thyself thou givest us all. - Khalil Gibran, Prayer XXIII

Be careful what you pretend to be. You become what you pretend to be. - Kurt Vonnegut

Religious beliefs, far from being primary, are often shaped and adjusted by our social goals. - Jim Forest

We become who we are by what we believe and can justify. - R.E. Slater

People, even more than things, need to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed, and redeemed; never throw out anyone. – Anon

Certainly, God's love has made fools of us all. - R.E. Slater

An apocalyptic Christian faith doesn't wait for Jesus to come, but for Jesus to become in our midst. - R.E. Slater

Christian belief in God begins with the cross and resurrection of Jesus, not with rational apologetics. - Eberhard Jüngel, Jürgen Moltmann

Our knowledge of God is through the 'I-Thou' encounter, not in finding God at the end of a syllogism or argument. There is a grave danger in any Christian treatment of God as an object. The God of Jesus Christ and Scripture is irreducibly subject and never made as an object, a force, a power, or a principle that can be manipulated. - Emil Brunner

“Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh” means "I will be that who I have yet to become." - God (Ex 3.14) or, conversely, “I AM who I AM Becoming.”

Our job is to love others without stopping to inquire whether or not they are worthy. - Thomas Merton

The church is God's world-changing social experiment of bringing unlikes and differents to the Eucharist/Communion table to share life with one another as a new kind of family. When this happens, we show to the world what love, justice, peace, reconciliation, and life together is designed by God to be. The church is God's show-and-tell for the world to see how God wants us to live as a blended, global, polypluralistic family united with one will, by one Lord, and baptized by one Spirit. – Anon

The cross that is planted at the heart of the history of the world cannot be uprooted. - Jacques Ellul

The Unity in whose loving presence the universe unfolds is inside each person as a call to welcome the stranger, protect animals and the earth, respect the dignity of each person, think new thoughts, and help bring about ecological civilizations. - John Cobb & Farhan A. Shah

If you board the wrong train it is of no use running along the corridors of the train in the other direction. - Dietrich Bonhoeffer

God's justice is restorative rather than punitive; His discipline is merciful rather than punishing; His power is made perfect in weakness; and His grace is sufficient for all. – Anon

Our little [biblical] systems have their day; they have their day and cease to be. They are but broken lights of Thee, and Thou, O God art more than they. - Alfred Lord Tennyson

We can’t control God; God is uncontrollable. God can’t control us; God’s love is uncontrolling! - Thomas Jay Oord

Life in perspective but always in process... as we are relational beings in process to one another, so life events are in process in relation to each event... as God is to Self, is to world, is to us... like Father, like sons and daughters, like events... life in process yet always in perspective. - R.E. Slater

To promote societal transition to sustainable ways of living and a global society founded on a shared ethical framework which includes respect and care for the community of life, ecological integrity, universal human rights, respect for diversity, economic justice, democracy, and a culture of peace. - The Earth Charter Mission Statement

Christian humanism is the belief that human freedom, individual conscience, and unencumbered rational inquiry are compatible with the practice of Christianity or even intrinsic in its doctrine. It represents a philosophical union of Christian faith and classical humanist principles. - Scott Postma

It is never wise to have a self-appointed religious institution determine a nation's moral code. The opportunities for moral compromise and failure are high; the moral codes and creeds assuredly racist, discriminatory, or subjectively and religiously defined; and the pronouncement of inhumanitarian political objectives quite predictable. - R.E. Slater

God's love must both center and define the Christian faith and all religious or human faiths seeking human and ecological balance in worlds of subtraction, harm, tragedy, and evil. - R.E. Slater

In Whitehead’s process ontology, we can think of the experiential ground of reality as an eternal pulse whereby what is objectively public in one moment becomes subjectively prehended in the next, and whereby the subject that emerges from its feelings then perishes into public expression as an object (or “superject”) aiming for novelty. There is a rhythm of Being between object and subject, not an ontological division. This rhythm powers the creative growth of the universe from one occasion of experience to the next. This is the Whiteheadian mantra: “The many become one and are increased by one.” - Matthew Segall

Without Love there is no Truth. And True Truth is always Loving. There is no dichotomy between these terms but only seamless integration. This is the premier centering focus of a Processual Theology of Love. - R.E. Slater

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Sunday, June 30, 2024

ChatGPT 4.0 and I Discuss the Church, Part I

 

Sometimes I use Open AI's chatbot just to see if I can get neutral answers... or answers which might provide a different form of insight than how I might approach a subject. Today, I thought, "Why not discuss the church?... What it is. Why it is. And, How it is." And then, perhaps speak to the church in society both historically and in the present tense of today's global conservative movements. Below is the result of these efforts. Perhaps this discussion might provoke additional thoughts and pursuits among my readers.

Peace,

R.E. Slater
June 30, 2024

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ChatGPT 4.0 and I Discuss the Church
Part I

by R.E. Slater

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** Me to ChatGPT 4.0 **

"Why is church celebrated?"


ChatGPT

Church is celebrated for various reasons depending on religious, cultural, and social contexts:

  • Worship and Spiritual Connection: Many people celebrate church as a place of worship where they can connect with God, seek spiritual guidance, and experience a sense of community.
  • Tradition and Ritual: Church services and ceremonies are often rooted in long-standing traditions and rituals that hold deep meaning for participants. These practices can provide a sense of continuity and stability.
  • Community and Fellowship: Churches often serve as central hubs for community gatherings, fostering a sense of belonging and providing opportunities for social interaction, support, and communal activities.
  • Celebration of Life Events: Churches are commonly venues for significant life events such as weddings, baptisms, confirmations, and funerals, marking important milestones in people's lives.
  • Moral and Ethical Guidance: Many attend church to seek moral and ethical guidance, learning values and principles that can help them navigate life's challenges.
  • Cultural Significance: In many cultures, church celebrations are tied to important holidays and festivals, reflecting broader cultural and historical traditions.
  • Charitable Activities: Churches often engage in charitable activities and community service, providing support and assistance to those in need, which can be a reason for celebration and participation.

Each of these aspects contributes to why church is celebrated and valued by individuals and communities.

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** Me to ChatGPT 4.0 **

"Why Does the Church Meet on Sunday?"

ChatGPT

Sunday is celebrated as a day of worship and rest in many Christian traditions for several reasons:

  • Resurrection of Jesus: Sunday is traditionally seen as the day of the week when Jesus Christ was resurrected from the dead. This event, known as Easter, is a cornerstone of Christian faith, and Sunday services are a weekly celebration of this resurrection.
  • Early Christian Practice: The practice of meeting on Sunday dates back to the early Christian church. The first Christians, many of whom were Jewish, initially observed the Sabbath on Saturday. However, they began to gather on Sunday to distinguish themselves and to commemorate the resurrection of Jesus.
  • Symbolic New Creation: In Christian theology, Sunday is also symbolic of the new creation and new beginnings. It represents the first day of the new week and signifies renewal and hope.
  • Roman Influence: In 321 AD, the Roman Emperor Constantine decreed that Sunday would be a day of rest and worship. This was influenced by his conversion to Christianity and helped to standardize Sunday observance across the Roman Empire.
  • Liturgical Tradition: Over the centuries, Sunday has become entrenched in the liturgical traditions of most Christian denominations. It is considered the Lord's Day, and weekly worship services are typically held on this day.

These historical, theological, and cultural factors all contribute to why Sunday is widely observed as a day of worship in Christianity.

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** Me to ChatGPT 4.0 **

"What is/are the foundation(s) of the church?"

ChatGPT

The foundations of the church can be understood from various perspectives, including theological, historical, and practical aspects: Theologically, Traditionally, and Community/Fellowship:


THEOLOGICALLY

I. THEOLOGICAL FOUNDATIONS
  • Jesus Christ: In Christian theology, Jesus Christ is considered the cornerstone and foundation of the church. His teachings, life, death, and resurrection are central to the faith.
  • Apostolic Teaching: The teachings of the apostles, particularly as recorded in the New Testament, form a foundational basis for Christian doctrine and practice.

II. SCRIPTURAL FOUNDATIONS
  • The Bible: The Holy Scriptures, particularly the New Testament, serve as a foundational text for the church's beliefs, practices, and teachings. Passages such as Matthew 16:18, where Jesus says to Peter, "You are Peter, and on this rock, I will build my church," are often cited as foundational.

III. CREEDS AND CONFESSIONS
  • Creeds: Historic creeds, such as the Nicene Creed and the Apostles' Creed, summarize essential Christian beliefs and have been foundational in unifying the church's doctrine across different denominations.
  • Confessions of Faith: Various denominational confessions and catechisms also play a foundational role in articulating specific theological positions and guiding church practices.

IV. SACRAMENTS AND ORDINANCES
  • Sacraments: Practices such as baptism and the Eucharist (or Holy Communion) are considered foundational rituals that embody key aspects of the Christian faith and community.

V. ECCLESIASTICAL STRUCTURES
  • Church Leadership: The structure of church leadership, including roles such as bishops, pastors, elders, and deacons, is foundational for governance and pastoral care within the church.
  • Church Councils: Historic councils, such as the Council of Nicaea and the Council of Chalcedon, have played foundational roles in defining and defending orthodox Christian beliefs.

TRADITIONALLY
  • Historical Tradition: The accumulated traditions of liturgy, worship practices, and church governance provide a foundation that connects contemporary church practice with historical Christianity.

COMMUNITY AND FELLOWSHIP
  • Congregational Life: The communal aspect of the church, including fellowship, mutual support, and collective worship, is foundational for its function and identity as a community of believers.

These foundations collectively contribute to the identity, continuity, and mission of the church across different Christian traditions and denominations.

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** Me to ChatGPT 4.0 **

"How has the church been meaningful to society?"

ChatGPT

The church has been meaningful in various ways throughout history, impacting individuals, communities, and societies as a whole. Here are several key aspects of its significance:


SPIRITUAL GUIDANCE AND GROWTH
  • Faith and Worship: The church provides a space for individuals to worship, pray, and grow in their faith. It helps people connect with God and find spiritual fulfillment.
  • Moral and Ethical Instruction: Through sermons, teachings, and pastoral care, the church offers moral and ethical guidance based on religious principles.

COMMUNITY AND FELLOWSHIP
  • Support Networks: Churches often act as support networks, providing emotional, social, and practical help to members in times of need.
  • Sense of Belonging: Being part of a church community can provide a sense of belonging and identity, fostering close relationships and mutual support.

EDUCATION AND LITERACY
  • Historical Role in Education: Historically, the church has been a primary provider of education and literacy, establishing schools and universities.
  • Religious Education: Churches continue to educate people in religious knowledge, theology, and biblical studies.

SOCIAL SERVICES AND CHARITY
  • Charitable Work: Many churches are involved in charitable activities, such as running food banks, homeless shelters, and medical clinics.
  • Disaster Relief: Churches often mobilize to provide aid and relief during natural disasters and emergencies.

CULTURAL AND ARTISTIC CONTRIBUTIONS
  • Art and Music: The church has been a significant patron of the arts, contributing to the development of music, visual arts, and architecture. Many famous works of art and music were created for religious purposes.
  • Cultural Heritage: Churches often play a key role in preserving cultural and historical heritage, maintaining traditions, and celebrating festivals.

SOCIAL AND POLITICAL INFLUENCE
  • Advocacy and Reform: The church has been a voice for social justice, advocating for the rights of marginalized groups and participating in movements for civil rights and social reform.
  • Ethical Leadership: Religious leaders and organizations have often provided ethical leadership and influenced public policy on issues such as poverty, healthcare, and human rights.

PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT AND WELL-BEING
  • Life Guidance: Churches provide guidance and support for personal issues, such as marriage, parenting, and personal crises.
  • Counseling and Mentorship: Many churches offer counseling services and mentorship programs to help individuals navigate life's challenges.

GLOBAL IMPACT
  • Missionary Work: Churches engage in missionary activities, spreading religious beliefs and providing humanitarian aid globally.
  • Interfaith Dialogue: Churches participate in interfaith dialogue, promoting understanding and cooperation between different religious communities.

These aspects illustrate the multifaceted ways in which the church has been meaningful, influencing individual lives and contributing to the broader social, cultural, and moral fabric of societies around the world.


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** Me to ChatGPT 4.0 **

"How has the church been UN-meaningful in society?"

ChatGPT

While the church has had many positive impacts, it has also faced criticism and controversy over various issues, making it unmeaningful or harmful in certain contexts:


Historical Abuses
  • Inquisitions and Persecutions: The church has been involved in inquisitions, witch hunts, and the persecution of individuals and groups, leading to suffering and death.
  • Colonialism and Forced Conversions: Missionary activities during the colonial era often involved forced conversions and the suppression of indigenous cultures and religions.

Scandals and corruption
  • Clergy Misconduct: Instances of sexual abuse and misconduct by clergy have severely damaged the church’s reputation and trustworthiness, causing deep harm to victims.
  • Financial Scandals: Cases of financial mismanagement and corruption within church institutions have undermined its moral authority.

Resistance to Progress
  • Opposition to Scientific Advancements: The church has historically opposed certain scientific advancements and discoveries, such as the condemnation of Galileo for his support of heliocentrism.
  • Resistance to Social Change: The church has been criticized for opposing social changes, such as gender equality, LGBTQ+ rights, and reproductive rights.

Intolerance and Exclusivity
  • Religious Intolerance: Instances of religious intolerance and exclusionary practices have caused division and conflict, both within Christianity and between different religions.
  • Dogmatism: Rigid adherence to doctrines and refusal to adapt to changing societal values can make the church seem out of touch and unwelcoming.

Political Manipulation
  • Political Influence: The church's involvement in political matters has sometimes led to the manipulation of religious beliefs for political gain, contributing to conflicts and power struggles.
  • Support for Authoritarian Regimes: In some cases, churches have supported or failed to oppose authoritarian regimes, compromising their moral standing.

Internal Conflicts and Schisms
  • Denominational Splits: Internal conflicts and schisms, such as the Protestant Reformation, have led to division and animosity within the Christian community.
  • Doctrinal Disputes: Disagreements over theology and doctrine can lead to fragmentation and weaken the church’s unity and effectiveness.

Cultural Insensitivity
  • Imposition of Western Values: Missionary activities have sometimes imposed Western cultural values on other societies, disregarding and undermining local traditions and beliefs.
  • Lack of Inclusivity: The church has been criticized for not being inclusive or responsive to the needs and perspectives of diverse cultural and social groups.

Failure to Address Social Issues
  • Silence on Injustice: The church has sometimes been criticized for remaining silent or not taking a strong enough stance on social injustices, such as racism, poverty, and environmental degradation.
  • Lack of Action: In some cases, the church has been seen as failing to translate its teachings into meaningful action to address contemporary social and ethical issues.

These criticisms highlight ways in which the church has been perceived as unmeaningful or even harmful, impacting its credibility and effectiveness in various contexts.

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