Quotes & Sayings


We, and creation itself, actualize the possibilities of the God who sustains the world, towards becoming in the world in a fuller, more deeper way. - R.E. Slater

There is urgency in coming to see the world as a web of interrelated processes of which we are integral parts, so that all of our choices and actions have [consequential effects upon] the world around us. - Process Metaphysician Alfred North Whitehead

Kurt Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem says (i) all closed systems are unprovable within themselves and, that (ii) all open systems are rightly understood as incomplete. - R.E. Slater

The most true thing about you is what God has said to you in Christ, "You are My Beloved." - Tripp Fuller

The God among us is the God who refuses to be God without us, so great is God's Love. - Tripp Fuller

According to some Christian outlooks we were made for another world. Perhaps, rather, we were made for this world to recreate, reclaim, redeem, and renew unto God's future aspiration by the power of His Spirit. - R.E. Slater

Our eschatological ethos is to love. To stand with those who are oppressed. To stand against those who are oppressing. It is that simple. Love is our only calling and Christian Hope. - R.E. Slater

Secularization theory has been massively falsified. We don't live in an age of secularity. We live in an age of explosive, pervasive religiosity... an age of religious pluralism. - Peter L. Berger

Exploring the edge of life and faith in a post-everything world. - Todd Littleton

I don't need another reason to believe, your love is all around for me to see. – Anon

Thou art our need; and in giving us more of thyself thou givest us all. - Khalil Gibran, Prayer XXIII

Be careful what you pretend to be. You become what you pretend to be. - Kurt Vonnegut

Religious beliefs, far from being primary, are often shaped and adjusted by our social goals. - Jim Forest

We become who we are by what we believe and can justify. - R.E. Slater

People, even more than things, need to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed, and redeemed; never throw out anyone. – Anon

Certainly, God's love has made fools of us all. - R.E. Slater

An apocalyptic Christian faith doesn't wait for Jesus to come, but for Jesus to become in our midst. - R.E. Slater

Christian belief in God begins with the cross and resurrection of Jesus, not with rational apologetics. - Eberhard Jüngel, Jürgen Moltmann

Our knowledge of God is through the 'I-Thou' encounter, not in finding God at the end of a syllogism or argument. There is a grave danger in any Christian treatment of God as an object. The God of Jesus Christ and Scripture is irreducibly subject and never made as an object, a force, a power, or a principle that can be manipulated. - Emil Brunner

“Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh” means "I will be that who I have yet to become." - God (Ex 3.14) or, conversely, “I AM who I AM Becoming.”

Our job is to love others without stopping to inquire whether or not they are worthy. - Thomas Merton

The church is God's world-changing social experiment of bringing unlikes and differents to the Eucharist/Communion table to share life with one another as a new kind of family. When this happens, we show to the world what love, justice, peace, reconciliation, and life together is designed by God to be. The church is God's show-and-tell for the world to see how God wants us to live as a blended, global, polypluralistic family united with one will, by one Lord, and baptized by one Spirit. – Anon

The cross that is planted at the heart of the history of the world cannot be uprooted. - Jacques Ellul

The Unity in whose loving presence the universe unfolds is inside each person as a call to welcome the stranger, protect animals and the earth, respect the dignity of each person, think new thoughts, and help bring about ecological civilizations. - John Cobb & Farhan A. Shah

If you board the wrong train it is of no use running along the corridors of the train in the other direction. - Dietrich Bonhoeffer

God's justice is restorative rather than punitive; His discipline is merciful rather than punishing; His power is made perfect in weakness; and His grace is sufficient for all. – Anon

Our little [biblical] systems have their day; they have their day and cease to be. They are but broken lights of Thee, and Thou, O God art more than they. - Alfred Lord Tennyson

We can’t control God; God is uncontrollable. God can’t control us; God’s love is uncontrolling! - Thomas Jay Oord

Life in perspective but always in process... as we are relational beings in process to one another, so life events are in process in relation to each event... as God is to Self, is to world, is to us... like Father, like sons and daughters, like events... life in process yet always in perspective. - R.E. Slater

To promote societal transition to sustainable ways of living and a global society founded on a shared ethical framework which includes respect and care for the community of life, ecological integrity, universal human rights, respect for diversity, economic justice, democracy, and a culture of peace. - The Earth Charter Mission Statement

Christian humanism is the belief that human freedom, individual conscience, and unencumbered rational inquiry are compatible with the practice of Christianity or even intrinsic in its doctrine. It represents a philosophical union of Christian faith and classical humanist principles. - Scott Postma

It is never wise to have a self-appointed religious institution determine a nation's moral code. The opportunities for moral compromise and failure are high; the moral codes and creeds assuredly racist, discriminatory, or subjectively and religiously defined; and the pronouncement of inhumanitarian political objectives quite predictable. - R.E. Slater

God's love must both center and define the Christian faith and all religious or human faiths seeking human and ecological balance in worlds of subtraction, harm, tragedy, and evil. - R.E. Slater

In Whitehead’s process ontology, we can think of the experiential ground of reality as an eternal pulse whereby what is objectively public in one moment becomes subjectively prehended in the next, and whereby the subject that emerges from its feelings then perishes into public expression as an object (or “superject”) aiming for novelty. There is a rhythm of Being between object and subject, not an ontological division. This rhythm powers the creative growth of the universe from one occasion of experience to the next. This is the Whiteheadian mantra: “The many become one and are increased by one.” - Matthew Segall

Without Love there is no Truth. And True Truth is always Loving. There is no dichotomy between these terms but only seamless integration. This is the premier centering focus of a Processual Theology of Love. - R.E. Slater

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Note: Generally I do not respond to commentary. I may read the comments but wish to reserve my time to write (or write from the comments I read). Instead, I'd like to see our community help one another and in the helping encourage and exhort each of us towards Christian love in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. - re slater

Friday, January 9, 2026

A Review of Greek Atheism - The Gods on Trial (1)



A Review of Greek Atheism

THE GODS ON TRIAL
Essay I

Moral Failure and the Collapse of
Divine Authority in Ancient Greece

by R.E. Slater & ChatGPT-5.2

Fragment attributed to a sophist (and applied to Protagoras):
“Concerning the gods, I cannot know whether they exist, or whether they do not, or what form they have because of the obscurity of the subject and the brevity of human life.”
Aristophanes - The Knights (a dialogue between slaves):
Slave: “Do you believe in gods?”
Other slave: “Of course.”
Slave: “What’s your proof?”
Other slave: “The fact that I’m cursed by them.”
Slave: “Well, that’s good enough for me.” 
A Sisyphus fragment revealing ancient skeptical social criticism:
The fragment describes religion as invented - to enforce morality; implying gods are human constructs, though no short quoted line survives besides this narrative summary.



Introduction: Why Visit Greek Atheism?

The modern discussion of atheism is often framed as a recent phenomenon - an outcome of scientific progress, Enlightenment rationalism, or postmodern skepticism. Yet this framing obscures a deeper and more instructive truth: the most sustained critiques of the gods did not arise from laboratories or revolutions, but from within the ethical, literary, and philosophical life of ancient Greece itself.

This series is undertaken to recover that forgotten genealogy.

Long before Christianity, Islam, or modern secularism, Greek poets, tragedians, comedians, and philosophers subjected their gods to relentless moral scrutiny. The result was not merely doubt, but a gradual withdrawal of trust. The gods were not disproved; they were interrogated - and increasingly found unworthy of the moral weight placed upon them. Divine injustice, indifference to suffering, and capricious power became problems that no amount of ritual or mythic explanation could resolve.

What followed was not an immediate denial of divinity, but a cultural shift: explanation without intention, ethics without divine command, and eventually religious practice without belief. Greek atheism emerged not as an ideology but as a lived posture - quiet, experimental, often ironic, and deeply ethical in motivation.

The purpose of this series is threefold.

First, it seeks to document the historical development of Greek unbelief across multiple domains - tragedy, comedy, philosophy, historiography, and natural science - rather than isolating atheism as a purely philosophical position. In Greece, disbelief was rarely systematic; it was cultural, poetic, and experiential.

Second, the series aims to distinguish Greek atheism from other forms of religious skepticism, particularly those found in the Hebrew tradition. Whereas Hebrew texts wrestle with divine justice within covenantal loyalty, Greek thought increasingly questions whether the gods themselves deserve loyalty at all. This distinction is essential for understanding how different civilizations confronted the problem of divine credibility.

Third - and most importantly - this study is undertaken because these ancient developments continue to shape the modern religious imagination. Many of the questions that trouble contemporary faith communities - about suffering, divine silence, moral incoherence, and the persistence of belief - were first articulated with startling clarity in the ancient Mediterranean world from its eastern Aegean Sea to its western Ionian Sea.

By tracing how Greek religion unraveled under ethical pressure rather than empirical refutation, this series provides a mirror for modern faiths confronting similar crises of credibility. It also prepares the ground for later constructive work, including process-oriented approaches to divinity that take moral responsiveness, relationality, and becoming seriously - precisely where ancient theologies faltered.

Essay I begins at the point of rupture: the moment when the gods were no longer trusted to be neither good nor divine.



I. The Moral Ambiguity of the Olympian Order

c. 8th - 5th centuries BCE

Homer, Iliad (c. 750 BCE)
“The gods spin sorrows for men, [so] that future generations may have something to sing about.”

Hesiod, Works and Days (c. 700 BCE)
“The gods keep hidden from men the means of life.”

Aeschylus, Agamemnon (458 BCE)
“Zeus, whoever he is, - [and] if this name pleases him - I call upon him.”

Greek religion emerges in a world already marked by divine ambivalence. In Homer’s epics - the foundational texts of Greek education and identity - the Olympian gods are powerful but ethically opaque. They intervene selectively, deceive freely, and treat human suffering as narrative material rather than moral failure. Zeus presides over fate, but does not consistently correct injustice.

Hesiod intensifies this tension by portraying the gods not merely as indifferent, but as withholding. Human toil is not redemptive; it is imposed. Knowledge, prosperity, and justice are deliberately obscured by divine design. The cosmos is intelligible only to the gods, and they decline to share.

By the time of Aeschylus in the early fifth century BCE, this inherited ambiguity becomes explicit uncertainty. His hesitant invocation - “Zeus, whoever he is” - appears not in satire, but in the most solemn of tragic settings: the opening of the Oresteia, performed at the City Dionysia before the full Athenian polis. This is not private doubt; it is civic hesitation voiced in public ritual.

From the beginning, Greek religion sustains itself not through confidence in divine goodness, but through tradition, fear, and necessity.

Process-Theological Coda:

The phase questioning who Zeus was reflected an early religious imagination grappling with "power absent relational accountability." Authority precedes trust. Once moral reflection matures, such divinity becomes unstable.

From a process-theological perspective, the earliest Greek gods represent an intuition of cosmic power prior to moral relationality. Divinity is imagined as causal dominance rather than participatory presence. The gods act upon the world but are not meaningfully with it. They influence outcomes, yet remain untouched by the consequences of their actions.

This structure reflects an early metaphysical assumption: that ultimate reality must be immune to vulnerability. Power is preserved by distance. Change threatens perfection. The result is a divine realm that governs but does not mature, commands but does not learn, and survives suffering without being transformed by it.

Process theology will later reverse this assumption entirely. It insists that relational responsiveness is not a weakness of divinity but the very depth of sacred-divinity. A god who cannot be affected cannot be morally trustworthy. In this light, the Olympian gods do not fail because they are many, powerful, or divine - but because they are static, insulated, and ethically unaccountable.



II. Tragedy and the Exposure of Divine Injustice

c. 460 - 400 BCE

Euripides, Heracles (c. 416 BCE) [reflecting on Zeus...]
“I am only mortal, but I outdo you in virtue.”

Euripides, Trojan Women (415 BCE)
“The gods bring all things to pass - yet allow injustice to prevail.”

Sophocles, Oedipus at Colonus (c. 401 BCE)
“Count no man happy till he dies.”

Greek tragedy does not merely reflect religious doubt; it institutionalizes it. Performed during state-sponsored festivals, tragedies [sic, tragic plays acted out in public amphitheaters] were civic events, not fringe provocations. Their audiences included magistrates, priests, soldiers, and citizens. When tragedy interrogated the gods, it did so at the heart of public Greek religion.

Euripides, writing during the Peloponnesian War and of its moral disintegration across society, is particularly severe. In Heracles, Zeus’s failure to protect his own son results not in rage but moral comparison: the mortal Amphitryon claims ethical superiority over the king of gods. The charge is devastating precisely because it is restrained.

In The Trojan Women, first staged shortly after Athens’ brutal destruction of Melos, divine causality becomes indistinguishable from political atrocity. The gods preside over suffering but offer no justification. Their authority explains events but does not redeem them.

Sophocles’ closing wisdom - “Count no man happy till he dies” - signals the existential consequence of this theological collapse. If divine favor is unstable and inscrutable, then no life can be interpreted as blessed while it remains unfinished.

Tragedy thus performs a slow excommunication of the gods from moral trust.

Process-Theological Coda:

During these eras ethics overtakes ontology. Divinity is judged not by power but by responsiveness to suffering. A god incapable of moral responsibility ceases to function as a sacred being.

Greek tragedy introduces a decisive moral criterion that process theology later makes explicit: suffering demands response. The tragic protest against the gods is not that they lack power, but that they lack answerability. The gods neither justify their actions nor share in the cost of their consequences.

From a process perspective, tragedy marks the emergence of moral relationality as the measure of the sacred. A god who remains unmoved by suffering - even if causally responsible for it - cannot sustain worship without coercion. Tragedy thus anticipates the idea that divinity must be co-affected, not merely causative.

Process theology does not deny divine power; it redefines it. Power is no longer unilateral control, but the capacity to receive, respond, and transform suffering into new possibilities by a God who is also affected by loss, cruelty, and injustice. Tragedy reveals that without this relational depth, even the most powerful gods collapse under ethical scrutiny.




III. Ethics Without the Gods

Late 5th - 3rd centuries BCE

Euripides, fragment (late 5th c. BCE)
“If the gods do shameful things, they are not gods.”

Plato, Republic (c. 380 BCE)
“God is not the cause of all things, but only of the good.”

Epicurus (4th–3rd c. BCE)
“It is better to follow myth than to be enslaved by fate disguised as reason.”

By the late fifth century BCE, Greek thought increasingly assumes that moral judgment belongs to humans rather than gods. Euripides’ fragment makes this explicit: "Divinity is now measured by ethical coherence. Power without goodness is disqualifying."

Plato’s response is reformative rather than destructive. In the Republic, he sharply restricts divine causality, denying that the gods can be responsible for evil. This philosophical move salvages moral order at the cost of traditional mythology. Homeric theology is quietly rejected as pedagogically corrupt.

Epicurus completes the break. Writing in the aftermath of Alexander’s empire, he rejects both mythic tyranny and metaphysical fatalism. Even false stories, he argues, are preferable to systems that erase human agency and responsibility.

By this stage, ethics no longer requires divine enforcement. The gods may persist as symbols, ideals, or cultural residues - but moral authority has migrated decisively to human reason and experience.

Process-Theological Coda:

This moment marks a necessary purification. Ethics cannot rest on coercive transcendence. Any viable divinity must participate in moral becoming, not merely command obedience.

When Greek thought detaches ethics from divine command, it performs a necessary civic purification. Moral value is no longer grounded in divine authority, threat, or metaphysical supremacy, but in lived human discernment and responsibility. This is not secularization in the modern sense; it is moral maturation.

Process theology affirms this shift while resisting its final implication that ethics must therefore be godless. Instead, it argues that morality cannot be imposed from outside reality but must emerge within relational processes. Divine influence, if it exists, must operate persuasively rather than coercively - inviting rather than commanding ethical response.

In this framework, the failure of the Greek gods is not that they claimed moral authority, but that they claimed it without participation. Ethics cannot be grounded in a divinity that neither risks itself nor ontologically evolves alongside moral insight. Any viable theology must therefore reconceive God not as lawgiver above the moral world, but as a participant within its unfolding.



Conclusion

The Withdrawal of Trust

The Greek gods were not refuted; they were morally outgrown. Their collapse was not primarily intellectual but ethical. Once subjected to sustained moral scrutiny - by poets, tragedians, and philosophers - the gods proved incapable of bearing the cosmic weight of ethical justice, agential suffering, or human responsibility. They simply failed across all moral standards of living.

Greek atheism begins then not with denial, but with withdrawal: the withdrawal of trust, reverence, and moral reliance. The gods remain named, invoked, and ritualized - but they are no longer believed in as guarantors of meaning, justice, or care.

This withdrawal sets the stage for what follows: explanation without intention, belief without certainty, and eventually, religion without gods.


Process-Theological Coda

From a process-theological perspective, these developments reveal a recurring pattern in religious history: religious systems fracture when their images of divinity become morally outpaced by human ethical awareness. When human beings come to love justice more deeply than their gods appear to do, belief cannot survive unchanged.

What emerges in Greece is not atheism as negation, but atheism as refusal - a refusal to grant sacred status to a reality that does not grow, suffer, or respond. Process theology takes this refusal seriously. It does not attempt to rehabilitate the gods of myth or defend divine power divorced from moral participation.

Instead, process theology begins where Greek tragedy leaves off:

What kind of divinity, if any, can remain credible in a morally awakened world?

That question will quietly govern everything that follows in Essays II and III.



Sacred No Longer

When the gods were powerful
they were neither good nor responsible.

Neither did they suffer nor become
culpable for their divine actions.

Though they ruled the heavenly heights -
they ceased to rule the human breast.

Thunder may have answered prayer,
yet the gods never deigned to explain it.

They spoke in signs,
not in reasons;
they acted, often
without accountability.

The faithful had learned their names
before they had learned justice;
... they also felt fear,
before they ever trusted.

The gods were strong enough
to wound the world -
but never gentle enough
to mend its injuries.

We sang to them -
and sacrificed almost daily,
and waited... and waited....

While human travail and broken grief
asked more cogent questions than
mere worship could ever answer.

And when so much was left unanswered
the human drive to worship drifted away -
... failed of its gods,
... bereft of explanations,
... uncomforted, unhelped,
... feeling quite, quite, alone.


R.E. Slater
January 8, 2026
@copyright R.E. Slater Publications
all rights reserved



BIBLIOGRAPHY
From Greek Gods to Greek Atheism

I. Primary Ancient Sources (in Translation)

Epic & Archaic Poetry

  • Homer. The Iliad and The Odyssey. Trans. Richmond Lattimore or Robert Fagles.

  • Hesiod. Theogony and Works and Days. Trans. M.L. West.

Greek Tragedy

  • Aeschylus. Oresteia. Trans. E.B. Browning or Robert Fagles.

  • Sophocles. Oedipus the King; Oedipus at Colonus. Trans. Robert Fitzgerald.

  • Euripides. Heracles, Trojan Women, Bacchae, and fragments. Trans. James Morwood or Emily Wilson (where available).

Comedy & Satire

  • Aristophanes. The Clouds, The Knights, Thesmophoriazusae. Trans. Jeffrey Henderson.

  • Lucian. Dialogues of the Gods; Zeus Refuted. Trans. A.M. Harmon.

Philosophical Texts

  • Plato. Apology, Republic, Laws. Trans. G.M.A. Grube.

  • Aristotle. Metaphysics, Physics. Trans. Jonathan Barnes.

  • Epicurus. Letter to Menoeceus. In The Epicurus Reader, ed. Brad Inwood.

  • Lucretius. De Rerum Natura. Trans. A.E. Stallings or W.H.D. Rouse.

Skepticism

  • Sextus Empiricus. Against the Mathematicians. Trans. R.G. Bury.


II. Core Secondary Scholarship (Graduate Level)
  • Guthrie, W.K.C. The Greeks and Their Gods. Methuen.

  • Burkert, Walter. Greek Religion. Harvard University Press.

  • Parker, Robert. Athenian Religion: A History. Oxford University Press.

  • Dodds, E.R. The Greeks and the Irrational. University of California Press.

  • Vlastos, Gregory. Socratic Studies. Cambridge University Press.

  • Sedley, David. Creationism and Its Critics in Antiquity. University of California Press.

  • Long, A.A. Hellenistic Philosophy. University of California Press.


III. Advanced & Scholarly Works (Post-Graduate / Research)
  • Bremmer, Jan N. Greek Religion and Culture, the Bible, and the Ancient Near East. Brill.

  • Henrichs, Albert. “What Is a Greek God?” in Greek Mythology and Poetics.

  • Mikalson, Jon D. Ancient Greek Religion. Wiley-Blackwell.

  • Versnel, H.S. Coping with the Gods. Brill.

  • Osborne, Robin. The Transformation of Athens. Princeton University Press.

  • Barnes, Jonathan. Early Greek Philosophy. Penguin / Cambridge.

  • Frede, Michael. Essays in Ancient Philosophy. Oxford University Press.


IV. Works Bridging to Theology & Process Thought (for Later Essays)

(Not foregrounded yet, but cleanly relevant)

  • Whitehead, Alfred North. Religion in the Making. Cambridge University Press.

  • Whitehead, Alfred North. Process and Reality. Corrected Edition.

  • Cobb, John B. A Christian Natural Theology. Westminster Press.

  • Keller, Catherine. Face of the Deep. Routledge.

  • Suchocki, Marjorie Hewitt. God, Christ, Church. Fortress Press.


V. Suggested Orientation for Public Readers
  • Armstrong, Karen. A History of God. Ballantine.

  • Ferry, Luc. The Wisdom of the Myths. Harper.

  • Grayling, A.C. The History of Philosophy. Penguin.

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