Quotes & Sayings


We, and creation itself, actualize the possibilities of the God who sustains the world, towards becoming in the world in a fuller, more deeper way. - R.E. Slater

There is urgency in coming to see the world as a web of interrelated processes of which we are integral parts, so that all of our choices and actions have [consequential effects upon] the world around us. - Process Metaphysician Alfred North Whitehead

Kurt Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem says (i) all closed systems are unprovable within themselves and, that (ii) all open systems are rightly understood as incomplete. - R.E. Slater

The most true thing about you is what God has said to you in Christ, "You are My Beloved." - Tripp Fuller

The God among us is the God who refuses to be God without us, so great is God's Love. - Tripp Fuller

According to some Christian outlooks we were made for another world. Perhaps, rather, we were made for this world to recreate, reclaim, redeem, and renew unto God's future aspiration by the power of His Spirit. - R.E. Slater

Our eschatological ethos is to love. To stand with those who are oppressed. To stand against those who are oppressing. It is that simple. Love is our only calling and Christian Hope. - R.E. Slater

Secularization theory has been massively falsified. We don't live in an age of secularity. We live in an age of explosive, pervasive religiosity... an age of religious pluralism. - Peter L. Berger

Exploring the edge of life and faith in a post-everything world. - Todd Littleton

I don't need another reason to believe, your love is all around for me to see. – Anon

Thou art our need; and in giving us more of thyself thou givest us all. - Khalil Gibran, Prayer XXIII

Be careful what you pretend to be. You become what you pretend to be. - Kurt Vonnegut

Religious beliefs, far from being primary, are often shaped and adjusted by our social goals. - Jim Forest

We become who we are by what we believe and can justify. - R.E. Slater

People, even more than things, need to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed, and redeemed; never throw out anyone. – Anon

Certainly, God's love has made fools of us all. - R.E. Slater

An apocalyptic Christian faith doesn't wait for Jesus to come, but for Jesus to become in our midst. - R.E. Slater

Christian belief in God begins with the cross and resurrection of Jesus, not with rational apologetics. - Eberhard Jüngel, Jürgen Moltmann

Our knowledge of God is through the 'I-Thou' encounter, not in finding God at the end of a syllogism or argument. There is a grave danger in any Christian treatment of God as an object. The God of Jesus Christ and Scripture is irreducibly subject and never made as an object, a force, a power, or a principle that can be manipulated. - Emil Brunner

“Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh” means "I will be that who I have yet to become." - God (Ex 3.14) or, conversely, “I AM who I AM Becoming.”

Our job is to love others without stopping to inquire whether or not they are worthy. - Thomas Merton

The church is God's world-changing social experiment of bringing unlikes and differents to the Eucharist/Communion table to share life with one another as a new kind of family. When this happens, we show to the world what love, justice, peace, reconciliation, and life together is designed by God to be. The church is God's show-and-tell for the world to see how God wants us to live as a blended, global, polypluralistic family united with one will, by one Lord, and baptized by one Spirit. – Anon

The cross that is planted at the heart of the history of the world cannot be uprooted. - Jacques Ellul

The Unity in whose loving presence the universe unfolds is inside each person as a call to welcome the stranger, protect animals and the earth, respect the dignity of each person, think new thoughts, and help bring about ecological civilizations. - John Cobb & Farhan A. Shah

If you board the wrong train it is of no use running along the corridors of the train in the other direction. - Dietrich Bonhoeffer

God's justice is restorative rather than punitive; His discipline is merciful rather than punishing; His power is made perfect in weakness; and His grace is sufficient for all. – Anon

Our little [biblical] systems have their day; they have their day and cease to be. They are but broken lights of Thee, and Thou, O God art more than they. - Alfred Lord Tennyson

We can’t control God; God is uncontrollable. God can’t control us; God’s love is uncontrolling! - Thomas Jay Oord

Life in perspective but always in process... as we are relational beings in process to one another, so life events are in process in relation to each event... as God is to Self, is to world, is to us... like Father, like sons and daughters, like events... life in process yet always in perspective. - R.E. Slater

To promote societal transition to sustainable ways of living and a global society founded on a shared ethical framework which includes respect and care for the community of life, ecological integrity, universal human rights, respect for diversity, economic justice, democracy, and a culture of peace. - The Earth Charter Mission Statement

Christian humanism is the belief that human freedom, individual conscience, and unencumbered rational inquiry are compatible with the practice of Christianity or even intrinsic in its doctrine. It represents a philosophical union of Christian faith and classical humanist principles. - Scott Postma

It is never wise to have a self-appointed religious institution determine a nation's moral code. The opportunities for moral compromise and failure are high; the moral codes and creeds assuredly racist, discriminatory, or subjectively and religiously defined; and the pronouncement of inhumanitarian political objectives quite predictable. - R.E. Slater

God's love must both center and define the Christian faith and all religious or human faiths seeking human and ecological balance in worlds of subtraction, harm, tragedy, and evil. - R.E. Slater

In Whitehead’s process ontology, we can think of the experiential ground of reality as an eternal pulse whereby what is objectively public in one moment becomes subjectively prehended in the next, and whereby the subject that emerges from its feelings then perishes into public expression as an object (or “superject”) aiming for novelty. There is a rhythm of Being between object and subject, not an ontological division. This rhythm powers the creative growth of the universe from one occasion of experience to the next. This is the Whiteheadian mantra: “The many become one and are increased by one.” - Matthew Segall

Without Love there is no Truth. And True Truth is always Loving. There is no dichotomy between these terms but only seamless integration. This is the premier centering focus of a Processual Theology of Love. - R.E. Slater

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Note: Generally I do not respond to commentary. I may read the comments but wish to reserve my time to write (or write from the comments I read). Instead, I'd like to see our community help one another and in the helping encourage and exhort each of us towards Christian love in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. - re slater

Sunday, June 1, 2025

The Bible Beyond Literalism: Critique, Tradition, and Renewal - Part 2



The Bible Beyond Literalism:
Critique, Tradition, and Renewal
Part 2
The Modern-Era Non-Christian Perspective

by R.E. Slater & ChatGPT


RES

Let's discuss why the Old Testament Hebrew Bible may be considered primitive, regressive, and unbelievable from an unbelieving, non-Christian perspective.

ChatGPT

From a non-Christian perspective—particularly one that is secular, historical-critical, or informed by modern ethical sensibilities—the Old Testament (or Hebrew Bible) may be considered primitive, regressive, and unbelievable for several key reasons:


1. Primitive Cosmology and Worldview

  • Flat Earth and Dome Sky: The Genesis cosmology reflects an ancient Near Eastern view of a flat earth with a firmament separating the waters above and below. This is consistent with Babylonian and Egyptian cosmologies—not scientific reality.

  • Creation in Six Days: A literal six-day creation with the sun created on the fourth day strains credibility when viewed through modern astrophysics, biology, and evolutionary science.

  • Talking Animals and Magical Events: Serpents talk (Genesis 3), donkeys speak (Numbers 22), and sticks turn into snakes (Exodus 7). From a modern rationalist or scientific lens, these read as folklore or mythology, not history.


2. Regressive Moral Frameworks

  • Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing: God's commands to destroy entire populations (e.g., Amalekites, Canaanites) in books like Joshua and 1 Samuel are seen as morally indefensible.

  • Patriarchal Systems: Women are treated as property (Exodus 20:17), prizes of war (Numbers 31), or bargaining chips (Judges 19), reflecting the deep patriarchy of ancient tribal societies.

  • Slavery and Human Ownership: Slavery is accepted and regulated (Exodus 21, Leviticus 25), rather than condemned, which conflicts with modern human rights ideals.

  • Capital Punishment for Minor Offenses: Harsh penalties like stoning for working on the Sabbath or being a rebellious child (Exodus 31:15, Deuteronomy 21:18-21) appear extreme or absurd today.


3. Mythic, Unbelievable Narratives

  • Longevity Claims: Figures like Methuselah living over 900 years (Genesis 5), defies biological reality.

  • Global Flood: A literal worldwide flood wiping out all life except Noah’s family and the ark’s animals contradicts geological, archaeological, and historical records.

  • Miracles without Evidence: The parting of the Red Sea, plagues of Egypt, manna from heaven, and other miracles lack corroborating physical or historical evidence.


4. Anthropomorphic and Violent Depictions of God

  • Jealous, Vengeful Deity: God is often depicted as jealous (Exodus 34:14), wrathful, and even petty (e.g., killing Uzzah for touching the Ark—2 Samuel 6:6-7).

  • Arbitrary Tests of Loyalty: Stories like Abraham being commanded to kill Isaac (Genesis 22) may be seen as morally problematic rather than spiritually profound.


5. Contradictions and Internal Inconsistencies

  • Multiple Creation Accounts: Genesis 1 and 2 present different orders of creation.

  • Inconsistent Laws: Laws on sacrifice, cleanliness, and punishment vary between Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy.

  • Historical Errors: Archaeology does not support some major biblical events (e.g., the Exodus, the conquest of Canaan) as described in the narrative.


6. Lack of Universality

  • Ethnic Exclusivism: Many of the promises and laws focus solely on Israel, portraying other nations as cursed or lesser.

  • No Ethical Framework for Outsiders: Ethical considerations often apply only within the community of Israel; outsiders are sometimes treated harshly or dismissed.


7. Use in Justifying Oppression

  • Historical Misuse: Biblical texts have been used to justify slavery, colonialism, the subjugation of women, and persecution of LGBTQ+ individuals, casting suspicion on the texts themselves.


Summary Table

CategoryWhy Considered Primitive/Regressive
CosmologyFlat Earth, mythic sky dome
MoralityGenocide, patriarchy, slavery
Miracles & NarrativesTalking animals, long lifespans
Depiction of GodJealous, violent, petty
Ethical ApplicationTribal exclusivism
HistoricityContradicted by archaeology
LegacyJustified historical oppression

Closing Note

From a non-Christian standpoint, especially one influenced by Enlightenment rationalism, secular ethics, or postmodern critique, the Old Testament often appears to reflect the fears, prejudices, and limitations of an ancient tribal culture rather than that of divine revelation. However, other exegetes—such as process theologians or historical critics—may still find evolving moral insights and existential themes within the Bible's recital of the layered, human journey.

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ChatGPT

Would you like a follow-up exploring how Process Theology reinterprets these criticisms into a dynamic, evolving view of Scripture?

RES

In a moment. What else may be said along these lines?

ChatGPT

Certainly. Building further on the critique of the Old Testament from a non-Christian perspective, we can expand the analysis into literarypsychologicalanthropological, and philosophical dimensions. Each offers a distinctive critique of the Hebrew Bible as primitive, regressive, or unbelievable—not to dismiss its value entirely, but to understand why modern readers outside the faith may view it skeptically.


1. Literary and Narrative Critique

  • Unreliable Narrators: Many biblical narratives are written from the viewpoint of tribal victors (e.g., the Israelites), leading to biased portrayals of others (Canaanites, Egyptians, Philistines, etc.).

  • Lack of Coherent Plot or Genre: The texts interweave legal codes, myths, diverse genealogies, poetries, histories, and prophecies with abrupt shifts, repetition, and contradictions—challenging modern investigations seeking logical structure or authorial consistency.

  • Childlike Supernaturalism: Events often resemble fairy tales or folkloric myths (e.g., fiery chariots, talking animals, magical plagues) rather than mature religious reflection.


2. Psychological and Developmental Critique

  • Archaic Conscience: The Old Testament's moral logic often reflects a “might makes right” mentality, or a "punishment-reward" dynamic characteristic of early human developmental stages.

  • Projection of Human Traits onto God: God is portrayed with deeply human emotions—anger, jealousy, favoritism—which some critics interpret as primitive psychological projections of ancient tribal leaders rather than of a transcendent deity.

  • Fear-Based Religion: Many laws and narratives operate through coercion, fear, and threat of punishment, rather than trust, love, or internal ethical development.


3. Anthropological Critique

  • Totemic and Tribal Religion: Yahweh begins as a national tribal deity—jealous, particular, and localized—akin to other gods in the ancient Near East (Marduk, Baal, etc.). From this perspective, monotheism emerges gradually, not suddenly.

  • Sacrifice and Scapegoating: Animal sacrifice, blood rituals, and scapegoat mechanisms (e.g., Leviticus 16) reflect early human attempts to control chaos and divine wrath through symbolic violence—ancient practices anthropologists identify as primitive religious appeasement or control systems.

  • Purity Codes: Laws around menstruation, leprosy, mold, and dietary restrictions are more reflective of ancient taboo logic than enduring moral principles.


4. Philosophical and Ethical Critique

  • Lack of Universality and Equality: There is little to no concept of universal human rights, equality before the law, or moral reciprocity toward enemies. Justice is often nationalistic, ethnocentric, or transactional.

  • Instrumental Ethics: Right behavior is tied to reward (blessing) and wrong to punishment (curse), rather than grounded in intrinsic dignity, conscience, or principle.

  • Anti-Philosophical Ethos: Unlike Greek thought (e.g., Socrates, Plato), the Old Testament seldom wrestles with abstract ethical dilemmas or metaphysical coherence. Wisdom literature is the exception (e.g., Job, Ecclesiastes), but even these often return to submission rather than critical freedom.


5. Historical and Archaeological Critique

  • Lack of External Corroboration: Events like the Exodus of Israel out of Egypt, wandering in the wilderness, or the conquest of Canaan, have yet to be substantiated by archaeological or external written evidence from neighboring empires.

  • Retrojected History: Stories of the patriarchs, kings, and battles often appear written or edited centuries after the supposed events, projecting later ideologies onto an imagined past (Deuteronomistic history).


6. Gender and Sexuality Critique

  • Instrumental Role of Women: Women are rarely protagonists or moral agents in their own right; they are often vessels for inheritance, honor, or male shame (e.g., Tamar, Bathsheba, Dinah).

  • Sexual Control and Punishment: Female sexuality is tightly controlled, often punished violently, and used as a measure of male honor.

  • Homophobia and Othering: Texts like Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 reflect what are now widely considered regressive attitudes toward same-sex relationships, often fueling contemporary discrimination.


7. Theological Critique (from Outside Faith)

  • Moral Monster Argument (e.g., Richard Dawkins): Some critics argue that the God of the Old Testament behaves in ways unworthy of worship—jealous, vindictive, and authoritarian—more akin to a Bronze Age warlord than a loving creator.

  • Divine Hiddenness: Despite many miracles in the text, the contemporary world shows no such divine intervention. Critics ask why this divine activity seems to have stopped, suggesting the biblical narrative is myth rather than fact. [cf: Everyday Miracles: How They Work, PART 4 re "Whiteheadian Metaphysics & Acausal Synchronicity"]

  • Theodicy and Suffering: The suffering of innocents (Job, infants in Egypt, etc.) with no clear moral resolution challenges the goodness or justice of the Old Testament deity.



Summary Chart: Additional Layers of Critique

DimensionCritique
LiteraryFragmented, mythic, biased storytelling
PsychologicalFear-based, projection of human traits onto God
AnthropologicalTotemic sacrifice, taboo laws, tribal religion
Philosophical/EthicalLacks universality, driven by reward/punishment logic
HistoricalUncorroborated events, mythologized past
Gender/SexualityPatriarchal, objectifying, and heteronormative
Theological (External)Unjust deity, divine absence, unresolved suffering


The Bible Beyond Literalism: Critique, Tradition, and Renewal

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