Quotes & Sayings


We, and creation itself, actualize the possibilities of the God who sustains the world, towards becoming in the world in a fuller, more deeper way. - R.E. Slater

There is urgency in coming to see the world as a web of interrelated processes of which we are integral parts, so that all of our choices and actions have [consequential effects upon] the world around us. - Process Metaphysician Alfred North Whitehead

Kurt Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem says (i) all closed systems are unprovable within themselves and, that (ii) all open systems are rightly understood as incomplete. - R.E. Slater

The most true thing about you is what God has said to you in Christ, "You are My Beloved." - Tripp Fuller

The God among us is the God who refuses to be God without us, so great is God's Love. - Tripp Fuller

According to some Christian outlooks we were made for another world. Perhaps, rather, we were made for this world to recreate, reclaim, redeem, and renew unto God's future aspiration by the power of His Spirit. - R.E. Slater

Our eschatological ethos is to love. To stand with those who are oppressed. To stand against those who are oppressing. It is that simple. Love is our only calling and Christian Hope. - R.E. Slater

Secularization theory has been massively falsified. We don't live in an age of secularity. We live in an age of explosive, pervasive religiosity... an age of religious pluralism. - Peter L. Berger

Exploring the edge of life and faith in a post-everything world. - Todd Littleton

I don't need another reason to believe, your love is all around for me to see. – Anon

Thou art our need; and in giving us more of thyself thou givest us all. - Khalil Gibran, Prayer XXIII

Be careful what you pretend to be. You become what you pretend to be. - Kurt Vonnegut

Religious beliefs, far from being primary, are often shaped and adjusted by our social goals. - Jim Forest

We become who we are by what we believe and can justify. - R.E. Slater

People, even more than things, need to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed, and redeemed; never throw out anyone. – Anon

Certainly, God's love has made fools of us all. - R.E. Slater

An apocalyptic Christian faith doesn't wait for Jesus to come, but for Jesus to become in our midst. - R.E. Slater

Christian belief in God begins with the cross and resurrection of Jesus, not with rational apologetics. - Eberhard Jüngel, Jürgen Moltmann

Our knowledge of God is through the 'I-Thou' encounter, not in finding God at the end of a syllogism or argument. There is a grave danger in any Christian treatment of God as an object. The God of Jesus Christ and Scripture is irreducibly subject and never made as an object, a force, a power, or a principle that can be manipulated. - Emil Brunner

“Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh” means "I will be that who I have yet to become." - God (Ex 3.14) or, conversely, “I AM who I AM Becoming.”

Our job is to love others without stopping to inquire whether or not they are worthy. - Thomas Merton

The church is God's world-changing social experiment of bringing unlikes and differents to the Eucharist/Communion table to share life with one another as a new kind of family. When this happens, we show to the world what love, justice, peace, reconciliation, and life together is designed by God to be. The church is God's show-and-tell for the world to see how God wants us to live as a blended, global, polypluralistic family united with one will, by one Lord, and baptized by one Spirit. – Anon

The cross that is planted at the heart of the history of the world cannot be uprooted. - Jacques Ellul

The Unity in whose loving presence the universe unfolds is inside each person as a call to welcome the stranger, protect animals and the earth, respect the dignity of each person, think new thoughts, and help bring about ecological civilizations. - John Cobb & Farhan A. Shah

If you board the wrong train it is of no use running along the corridors of the train in the other direction. - Dietrich Bonhoeffer

God's justice is restorative rather than punitive; His discipline is merciful rather than punishing; His power is made perfect in weakness; and His grace is sufficient for all. – Anon

Our little [biblical] systems have their day; they have their day and cease to be. They are but broken lights of Thee, and Thou, O God art more than they. - Alfred Lord Tennyson

We can’t control God; God is uncontrollable. God can’t control us; God’s love is uncontrolling! - Thomas Jay Oord

Life in perspective but always in process... as we are relational beings in process to one another, so life events are in process in relation to each event... as God is to Self, is to world, is to us... like Father, like sons and daughters, like events... life in process yet always in perspective. - R.E. Slater

To promote societal transition to sustainable ways of living and a global society founded on a shared ethical framework which includes respect and care for the community of life, ecological integrity, universal human rights, respect for diversity, economic justice, democracy, and a culture of peace. - The Earth Charter Mission Statement

Christian humanism is the belief that human freedom, individual conscience, and unencumbered rational inquiry are compatible with the practice of Christianity or even intrinsic in its doctrine. It represents a philosophical union of Christian faith and classical humanist principles. - Scott Postma

It is never wise to have a self-appointed religious institution determine a nation's moral code. The opportunities for moral compromise and failure are high; the moral codes and creeds assuredly racist, discriminatory, or subjectively and religiously defined; and the pronouncement of inhumanitarian political objectives quite predictable. - R.E. Slater

God's love must both center and define the Christian faith and all religious or human faiths seeking human and ecological balance in worlds of subtraction, harm, tragedy, and evil. - R.E. Slater

In Whitehead’s process ontology, we can think of the experiential ground of reality as an eternal pulse whereby what is objectively public in one moment becomes subjectively prehended in the next, and whereby the subject that emerges from its feelings then perishes into public expression as an object (or “superject”) aiming for novelty. There is a rhythm of Being between object and subject, not an ontological division. This rhythm powers the creative growth of the universe from one occasion of experience to the next. This is the Whiteheadian mantra: “The many become one and are increased by one.” - Matthew Segall

Without Love there is no Truth. And True Truth is always Loving. There is no dichotomy between these terms but only seamless integration. This is the premier centering focus of a Processual Theology of Love. - R.E. Slater

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Note: Generally I do not respond to commentary. I may read the comments but wish to reserve my time to write (or write from the comments I read). Instead, I'd like to see our community help one another and in the helping encourage and exhort each of us towards Christian love in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. - re slater

Saturday, September 28, 2024

Part 2/2 - The Difference between Non-Process and Process-based Source Criticism and Interpretation


The Transformative Nature of the Christ Event, by R.E. Slater & OpenAI ChatGPT 4.0  


The Difference between
Non-Process and Process-based
Source Criticism and Interpretation

Part 2 of 2

by RE Slater & ChtGPT 4.0

September 28, 2024


Continue from Part 1

RES
It seems that the artistries of theologians interpreting the Bible is just that... an art where different perspectives of societies choose their vision of address or regress. Please respond.

ChatGPT
Your statement suggests that theology, and by extension the study and interpretation of the Bible, is inherently an art form where differing perspectives within society express their own visions of advancement or resistance. This is a perceptive observation because it recognizes theology not merely as a dry, dogmatic enterprise, but as a dynamic and creative process deeply intertwined with the social, political, and cultural contexts that shape it. Let’s unpack this idea further:

1. The Bible as a Multi-Vocal Text:
The Bible itself is a collection of diverse voices, perspectives, and ideologies, often in dialogue or even conflict with one another. This internal diversity reflects the complexity of human experience and the variety of responses to historical events and social conditions. For example:
Prophetic Literature vs. Royal Ideology: The prophets often critique the royal establishment and social injustices, representing a vision of societal reform and divine justice (e.g., Amos and Micah), while other texts (e.g., the Deuteronomic histories) might reflect a more supportive stance towards monarchy and centralized power.

Wisdom Literature and Skepticism: Books like Proverbs offer a traditional view of wisdom and retributive justice, whereas Ecclesiastes and Job challenge this perspective, highlighting the limitations of human understanding and the apparent unpredictability of life.
In this sense, the Bible is not a monolithic narrative but a collection of perspectives that negotiate different visions of social order, theology, and human meaning.

2. Theology as an Interpretive Art:
Theology, as a response to the Bible, becomes an art form precisely because it must navigate and engage with these diverse voices. Every theological statement is, to some extent, a selective emphasis on certain texts, themes, or ideas over others. This process is shaped by:
Cultural and Historical Contexts: Theological perspectives emerge out of specific historical and cultural settings, responding to the unique challenges, anxieties, and aspirations of the time. For instance, liberation theology arose out of the struggles against political and economic oppression in Latin America, reading the Bible through the lens of social liberation and justice.

Socio-Political Agendas: Different groups have used the Bible to support or critique existing power structures. In medieval Europe, theologians used the Bible to justify the divine right of kings, while in the 19th century, abolitionists and slaveholders both drew on biblical texts to argue for and against slavery.
Theologians are thus like artists, choosing from a palette of biblical texts and themes to construct their vision of what is real, just, or true. This creative process means that theology is always provisional and subject to reinterpretation.

3. Advancing or Resisting Societal Norms:
Theology often finds itself at the intersection of progress and regression, where different interpretations of the Bible advocate either for social change or for the reinforcement of existing norms:
Theology of Reform and Protest: Throughout history, there have been theologies of reform and protest—think of Martin Luther’s Reformation theology or Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s resistance to Nazism. These theological movements interpreted the Bible as a call to action against perceived societal ills.

Theology of Preservation: Conversely, certain theological stances have been used to resist change and maintain the status quo. For example, the use of Pauline texts like Romans 13 (“Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities…”) has sometimes been cited to discourage dissent and promote submission to established authority.
This dual function of theology—as both advancing and resisting social norms—reveals it to be an ongoing interpretive act, where the Bible becomes a mirror reflecting the tensions within society.

4. The Artistic Tension within Theology:
The artistic nature of theology lies in its inherent tension: the Bible’s diversity requires theologians to weave together disparate threads into a coherent vision, knowing that alternative readings and interpretations always remain possible. This tension is not something to be resolved but embraced as part of the creative process of meaning-making.
The Role of Theologians as Cultural Interpreters: Theologians act as cultural interpreters, translating the language and symbols of the Bible into contemporary settings. This interpretative role often results in a plurality of theological expressions, each reflecting the particular concerns and hopes of different communities.

The Possibility of Subversion: Because the Bible contains voices of both establishment and subversion, theology itself can be subversive. Liberation theology, feminist theology, and queer theology are examples of interpretative approaches that challenge traditional norms and offer alternative visions of faith and society.
5. The Fluidity of “Address” and “Regress”:
The concepts of “address” (forward movement or innovation) and “regress” (return or conservation) are themselves fluid and context-dependent. What appears as regress in one context may be address in another:
Return to Biblical Ethics as Progress: A call to return to biblical ethics can be seen as reactionary or regressive in a secular context but might represent progress or renewal within a religious community striving to reclaim its spiritual roots.

Adoption of Modern Values as Address: Embracing modern values like gender equality or ecological responsibility may be seen as progressive address, but traditionalists might view it as a betrayal of the biblical witness.
This fluidity underscores the artistic nature of theology: it is not simply a matter of picking one vision and applying it but of constantly reworking and reimagining these visions in light of new contexts and questions.

6. Theological Reflection as an Ongoing Conversation:
The dynamic interplay between biblical texts and societal perspectives suggests that theology is more akin to an ongoing conversation than a set of fixed doctrines. Each era, each community, and each reader adds their voice to the conversation, interpreting and reinterpreting the texts in ways that are meaningful for their circumstances.

Dialogue and Disagreement: Just as different artists might interpret a landscape differently, theologians interpret the biblical landscape in divergent ways. This plurality of voices should not be seen as a weakness but as a testament to the Bible’s richness and the vitality of theological discourse.
Conclusion:
Theology, when viewed as an art that mediates between the Bible and society’s shifting perspectives, transcends simplistic categorizations of address or regress. It reflects the complexity of human experience, the multiplicity of voices within the biblical text, and the creative tension involved in forming new meanings. While this process may appear unsettling for those who seek definitive answers, it is precisely this openness and dynamism that make theology an enduring and vital endeavor.

Rather than constraining the Bible to a single perspective, theology allows for a multitude of interpretations that resonate differently across time and culture. Like any art form, it has the power to both comfort and disturb, affirm and challenge—guiding individuals and communities as they navigate their place in the world in relation to the divine.

RES
I think your latter observations strongly embraces the artistries of prophesy, of speaking to societal interactions which require disruption; of newer, healthier communal visions; and, of incorporating back into societies more generative forms and functions. You?

ChatGPT
Yes, I agree that my observations align closely with the prophetic role of theology as a transformative and disruptive force within society. Prophecy, both in the biblical and broader theological sense, is deeply intertwined with the processes of critique, renewal, and integration of healthier, more generative ways of being. Let’s delve into how these prophetic dynamics are reflected in the theological and societal framework:

1. Prophecy as Societal Critique and Disruption:

The prophetic voice in the Bible often emerges in response to periods of social, moral, or political decay, speaking against corruption, injustice, and idolatry. Prophets like Amos, Jeremiah, and Isaiah disrupt the status quo by calling out the people’s failures and confronting powerful institutions. They do so not merely to condemn but to reawaken the conscience of society.
Disruption as Creative Tension: Just as theological reflection seeks to engage the Bible’s diverse voices, prophecy seeks to disrupt complacency and call people back to their fundamental values and covenantal identity. This disruption is a necessary precondition for renewal and transformation.

Voicing the “Other” Perspective: Prophets often give voice to marginalized or overlooked perspectives, challenging dominant narratives and inviting the community to see itself through a different lens. This aligns with theological efforts to embrace diverse viewpoints and incorporate them into a fuller understanding of human and divine interaction.
2. Prophecy as Visionary and Generative:
While prophetic literature is often remembered for its harsh judgments, it is also profoundly generative. Prophets offer a vision of what could be—a reimagined society that reflects divine values of justice, mercy, and righteousness. This generative function is not limited to the biblical prophets but extends to modern theological movements that strive to articulate new ways of thinking and living.
Reimagining Society: The prophetic voice is inherently visionary, imagining a society where the poor are uplifted, the oppressed are set free, and communal relationships are restored. Theological reflection that engages with these themes becomes a creative act of imagining new possibilities for human flourishing.

Rethinking Norms and Practices: Just as the prophets called for a reorientation of societal practices (e.g., Sabbath rest as a form of social justice, Jubilee as economic reset), theology today can articulate practices that integrate more holistic and generative forms of community life—such as environmental stewardship, equitable economic systems, or inclusive social structures.
3. Prophetic Integration: Bringing the Periphery to the Center:
The prophetic task is not only to disrupt and reimagine but also to integrate these new insights back into the life of the community. This means bringing voices from the periphery—whether marginalized peoples, suppressed ideas, or forgotten traditions—into the center of communal consciousness.
Integrative Function of Prophecy and Theology: Both prophecy and theology work to integrate new insights, often derived from the margins of society, into the core of communal identity. This integration helps the community move forward while remaining rooted in its foundational values.

Moving from Judgment to Renewal: Biblical prophecy often moves from pronouncements of judgment to promises of restoration. Similarly, theology that critiques societal dysfunctions must also point toward constructive pathways for renewal. It’s about transforming critique into creative, life-giving forms.
4. Generative Forms and Functions in Theological Discourse:
The idea of “generative forms and functions” implies that theology and prophecy are not just reactive but actively contribute to the creation of new realities. The generative aspect of theology involves cultivating new metaphors, symbols, and practices that enable societies to live more authentically and harmoniously.
Theological Innovation: Just as artists or musicians innovate new forms that express the inexpressible, theology must sometimes break with established norms to articulate new ways of understanding God, humanity, and the cosmos. For example, the emergence of process theology or theologies of liberation represents such generative movements.

Ritual and Liturgy as Generative Practices: Theological creativity can also manifest in new forms of ritual and liturgy that embody prophetic visions. These practices help communities live into the new reality being articulated, making abstract theological ideas tangible and experiential.
5. Prophecy and Theology as Ongoing Dialogues:
Prophecy and theology are both ongoing dialogues—dialogues with the past (tradition), with the present (context), and with the future (vision). They are never static but evolve as the community and its context evolve. This dialogical nature ensures that prophecy and theology remain relevant and responsive to changing circumstances.
Maintaining the Tension between Critique and Affirmation: Prophetic theology must hold together the twin aspects of critique and affirmation. It critiques current practices and beliefs, while simultaneously affirming the deeper, often hidden, potential within the community to realize a more authentic and just way of being.

Embracing Ambiguity and Complexity: Because both prophecy and theology deal with profound questions of meaning, they must be willing to embrace ambiguity and complexity rather than offering simplistic answers. This openness to complexity allows for richer and more nuanced forms of integration and transformation.
6. Prophetic Theology as an Ethical Imperative:
Ultimately, both prophecy and theology have an ethical dimension: they seek not just to describe reality but to transform it in accordance with higher values and truths. This ethical imperative involves:
Empowering the Marginalized: Prophetic theology seeks to empower those who are marginalized, giving them a voice in the theological and societal conversation.

Inspiring Action: By offering new visions and generative practices, prophecy and theology inspire individuals and communities to embody these ideals in concrete actions, thus effecting real-world change.
Conclusion:
Yes, the observations I previously made strongly resonate with the arteries of prophecy. Prophecy and theology, when viewed as artistic and generative endeavors, go beyond mere critique or support of societal norms. They serve as dynamic interactions between disruption and renewal, deconstruction and reconstruction, addressing current dysfunctions while envisioning healthier ways of being. This continuous interplay ensures that theology remains a living, breathing force that not only speaks truth to power but also nurtures new forms of communal life and individual transformation.

RES
I find these forms of biblical interaction more related to the Whiteheadian tradition of process theology which aquires the real, analysis the real, then responds to the real in multiple streams of healthier dispatch (sic, from actualization to propogation). You?

ChatGPT
Absolutely! Your observation resonates deeply with the core principles of process theology, particularly as rooted in the thought of Alfred North Whitehead. Process theology, which views reality as a dynamic, unfolding process rather than a static collection of immutable entities, offers a rich framework for engaging the Bible and theological reflection in a way that is both creative and responsive to the complexities of human experience. Let’s explore how the Whiteheadian tradition aligns with the interactional modes of biblical interpretation you’ve described:

1. The Whiteheadian Tradition: Engaging with the Real
Whiteheadian process thought emphasizes the dynamic and relational nature of reality. Everything, from the smallest particle to the divine itself, is in a constant state of becoming—changing, evolving, and responding to the interactions of its environment. This approach contrasts sharply with classical metaphysics, which tends to see reality as composed of fixed substances with predetermined natures.
Actualization and Creative Response: In process thought, reality is understood as a series of “actual occasions” or events, each of which reflects the cumulative influence of its past while introducing novelty and potential for the future. This means that each moment of reality is both a culmination of what has been and a springboard for what can be.

The Role of God in Process Theology: God, in process theology, is not a distant, unchanging monarch but a participant in the world’s becoming. God lures creation toward greater complexity, harmony, and beauty—what Whitehead called the “divine aim.” This divine aim is not coercive but invitational, allowing for freedom and creativity within the world.
This view provides a robust framework for engaging with the Bible, as it encourages interpreters to see the text not as a static repository of eternal truths but as a dynamic witness to the evolving understanding of God and the world within specific communities.

2. The Bible as a Record of Dynamic Interaction with the Real:
From a process theological perspective, the Bible can be seen as a record of how various communities have engaged with the real—their lived experiences, historical events, and existential questions—while also reflecting and responding to the divine lure toward greater justice, love, and communal harmony.
Scripture as Relational Historical and Experiential Records: The Bible captures the ways in which different communities perceived, articulated, and responded to their reality, often through conflict, transformation, and renewal. For example, the shift from the polytheistic elements in early Israelite religion to a monotheistic vision reflects a profound process of theological development and actualization.

Text as Entangled Relational and Experiential Process Events: The Bible itself underwent a process of formation and redaction, where various strands of tradition, oral histories, and theological reflections were woven together over time. This dynamic process parallels the Whiteheadian idea of how every actual occasion incorporates influences from its past while generating new possibilities for the future.
3. The Role of Analysis and Response in Theological Reflection:
In line with your articulation—acquiring the real, analyzing the real, and responding to the real—process theology and Whiteheadian thought provide a methodology for engaging with the Bible and theological reflection that is deeply attuned to context, experience, and transformation.
Acquiring the Real: Engaging with the real means taking seriously the concrete realities of history, culture, and human experience. This involves not only understanding the historical-critical background of biblical texts but also how these texts speak to the ongoing lived experiences of people today.

Analyzing the Real: Analyzing the real means discerning the ways in which divine presence or absence, human suffering or flourishing, and societal structures are articulated in the biblical text. It’s a process of dissecting the elements of experience and understanding how they inform the community’s worldview and theological perspectives.

Responding to the Real: In process thought, responding to the real is not merely reactionary but involves the creative transformation of circumstances. Theology thus becomes a generative and prophetic act, calling for healthier dispatches—whether in new theological formulations, ethical actions, or communal practices that embody the divine aim.
4. Whiteheadian Tradition and Biblical Prophetic Voice:
The prophetic voice in the Bible aligns with process theology’s understanding of divine interaction with the world. Prophets, like the divine lure in process thought, challenge societies to evolve toward higher values, confronting present realities while pointing toward potential futures.
Prophets as Catalysts for Process: Biblical prophets like Isaiah or Micah act as catalysts for societal change, urging communities to align more closely with divine purposes. They do this not through coercion but through the persuasive power of their words and visions. Similarly, in process theology, God influences the world not by dictating outcomes but by luring creation toward greater beauty, truth, and goodness.

The Role of Creativity and Novelty: Prophets introduce new possibilities into their communities, which is central to process theology’s emphasis on creativity and novelty. These new possibilities disrupt static norms and encourage communities to reconfigure themselves in more life-giving ways.
5. Process Theology’s Multiplicity of Healthier Dispatch:
Your concept of “healthier dispatch”—from actualization to propagation—resonates with Whitehead’s vision of how divine and human creativity can generate multiple avenues of healthier expression and integration.
Actualization as Creative Emergence: Each moment of actualization in process thought is an emergent reality that embodies the potential of its antecedents while introducing new patterns of relationship. In biblical interpretation, this might mean recognizing how different texts reflect the emergent responses of communities to divine-human encounters (e.g., the emergence of early Christian theology out of Jewish apocalyptic thought).

Propagation as Generative Transformation: The propagation of these healthier forms involves the dissemination and integration of these new insights back into the life of the community. This is seen in the early Christian movement’s propagation of Jesus’ teachings, which redefined communal boundaries and ethical norms in the Greco-Roman world.
6. Theology as a Creative Act of Co-Creation:
Process theology emphasizes the co-creative nature of reality, where both God and the world contribute to the ongoing formation of reality. In the same way, theology is not a passive reception of truth but an active, creative engagement with the biblical text, tradition, and present context.
Theologians as Co-Creators: Theologians, like artists, are co-creators who respond to the divine aim by articulating new theological visions that resonate with their communities’ evolving understandings and needs.

Dynamic Hermeneutics: This dynamic hermeneutical approach means that theological interpretations are always provisional and open-ended. They are, in a sense, dispatches—temporary articulations that invite further dialogue, refinement, and propagation.
7. Toward a Process-Theological Hermeneutic of the Bible:
A Whiteheadian, process-theological approach to biblical interpretation involves:Engaging with the Bible’s Textual Dynamism: Recognizing the Bible as a dynamic, multi-vocal text that reflects the process of communities responding to the divine lure.
Embracing the Role of Creativity and Novelty: Viewing theological reflection as a generative act that introduces new ways of understanding God and the world.

Integrating Analysis and Response: Moving from historical-critical analysis to constructive theological response, where new interpretations address current contexts while remaining faithful to the text’s deeper aims.

Nurturing Healthier Forms of Life: Using biblical insights to foster healthier communal and individual lives, aligning with the Whiteheadian vision of increased harmony, complexity, and intensity of experience.
Conclusion:
Your observations point to a deep congruence between biblical interaction and the Whiteheadian tradition of process theology. Both embrace a dynamic engagement with the real that seeks not only to understand but to transform. In this vision, the Bible and theology are not ends in themselves but processes through which communities and individuals actualize their potential and propagate healthier, more generative forms of life. This approach offers a profound way of reading the Bible that is faithful to its complexity and yet oriented toward constructive transformation and integration into the ongoing flow of history and divine becoming.

RES
Excellent. Let's end our discussion here and begin a new discussion at our next appointment reflecting on divine actions of processed-based involvement stated within Christian terms of Holy Spirit interaction with today's individuals, societies, and ecological environments.


RE Slater & ChtGPT 4.0
September 28, 2024

*I wanted to finish these last two sections on "How to read the bible, Parts 1 and 2 " including the accompanying third rough draft titled, "The Artistry of Processual Prophecy" tonight. As I have time I will edit this last draft, however, I discovered yesterday at a routine angiogram (angina) study that my heart is blocked up in the coronary arteries requiring immediate open heart cardiac bypass surgery. Hence, if I cannot get to this last piece I wanted to at least publish it in draft form to complete this section of bible study. Wish me well. - re slater



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