Quotes & Sayings


We, and creation itself, actualize the possibilities of the God who sustains the world, towards becoming in the world in a fuller, more deeper way. - R.E. Slater

There is urgency in coming to see the world as a web of interrelated processes of which we are integral parts, so that all of our choices and actions have [consequential effects upon] the world around us. - Process Metaphysician Alfred North Whitehead

Kurt Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem says (i) all closed systems are unprovable within themselves and, that (ii) all open systems are rightly understood as incomplete. - R.E. Slater

The most true thing about you is what God has said to you in Christ, "You are My Beloved." - Tripp Fuller

The God among us is the God who refuses to be God without us, so great is God's Love. - Tripp Fuller

According to some Christian outlooks we were made for another world. Perhaps, rather, we were made for this world to recreate, reclaim, redeem, and renew unto God's future aspiration by the power of His Spirit. - R.E. Slater

Our eschatological ethos is to love. To stand with those who are oppressed. To stand against those who are oppressing. It is that simple. Love is our only calling and Christian Hope. - R.E. Slater

Secularization theory has been massively falsified. We don't live in an age of secularity. We live in an age of explosive, pervasive religiosity... an age of religious pluralism. - Peter L. Berger

Exploring the edge of life and faith in a post-everything world. - Todd Littleton

I don't need another reason to believe, your love is all around for me to see. – Anon

Thou art our need; and in giving us more of thyself thou givest us all. - Khalil Gibran, Prayer XXIII

Be careful what you pretend to be. You become what you pretend to be. - Kurt Vonnegut

Religious beliefs, far from being primary, are often shaped and adjusted by our social goals. - Jim Forest

We become who we are by what we believe and can justify. - R.E. Slater

People, even more than things, need to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed, and redeemed; never throw out anyone. – Anon

Certainly, God's love has made fools of us all. - R.E. Slater

An apocalyptic Christian faith doesn't wait for Jesus to come, but for Jesus to become in our midst. - R.E. Slater

Christian belief in God begins with the cross and resurrection of Jesus, not with rational apologetics. - Eberhard Jüngel, Jürgen Moltmann

Our knowledge of God is through the 'I-Thou' encounter, not in finding God at the end of a syllogism or argument. There is a grave danger in any Christian treatment of God as an object. The God of Jesus Christ and Scripture is irreducibly subject and never made as an object, a force, a power, or a principle that can be manipulated. - Emil Brunner

“Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh” means "I will be that who I have yet to become." - God (Ex 3.14) or, conversely, “I AM who I AM Becoming.”

Our job is to love others without stopping to inquire whether or not they are worthy. - Thomas Merton

The church is God's world-changing social experiment of bringing unlikes and differents to the Eucharist/Communion table to share life with one another as a new kind of family. When this happens, we show to the world what love, justice, peace, reconciliation, and life together is designed by God to be. The church is God's show-and-tell for the world to see how God wants us to live as a blended, global, polypluralistic family united with one will, by one Lord, and baptized by one Spirit. – Anon

The cross that is planted at the heart of the history of the world cannot be uprooted. - Jacques Ellul

The Unity in whose loving presence the universe unfolds is inside each person as a call to welcome the stranger, protect animals and the earth, respect the dignity of each person, think new thoughts, and help bring about ecological civilizations. - John Cobb & Farhan A. Shah

If you board the wrong train it is of no use running along the corridors of the train in the other direction. - Dietrich Bonhoeffer

God's justice is restorative rather than punitive; His discipline is merciful rather than punishing; His power is made perfect in weakness; and His grace is sufficient for all. – Anon

Our little [biblical] systems have their day; they have their day and cease to be. They are but broken lights of Thee, and Thou, O God art more than they. - Alfred Lord Tennyson

We can’t control God; God is uncontrollable. God can’t control us; God’s love is uncontrolling! - Thomas Jay Oord

Life in perspective but always in process... as we are relational beings in process to one another, so life events are in process in relation to each event... as God is to Self, is to world, is to us... like Father, like sons and daughters, like events... life in process yet always in perspective. - R.E. Slater

To promote societal transition to sustainable ways of living and a global society founded on a shared ethical framework which includes respect and care for the community of life, ecological integrity, universal human rights, respect for diversity, economic justice, democracy, and a culture of peace. - The Earth Charter Mission Statement

Christian humanism is the belief that human freedom, individual conscience, and unencumbered rational inquiry are compatible with the practice of Christianity or even intrinsic in its doctrine. It represents a philosophical union of Christian faith and classical humanist principles. - Scott Postma

It is never wise to have a self-appointed religious institution determine a nation's moral code. The opportunities for moral compromise and failure are high; the moral codes and creeds assuredly racist, discriminatory, or subjectively and religiously defined; and the pronouncement of inhumanitarian political objectives quite predictable. - R.E. Slater

God's love must both center and define the Christian faith and all religious or human faiths seeking human and ecological balance in worlds of subtraction, harm, tragedy, and evil. - R.E. Slater

In Whitehead’s process ontology, we can think of the experiential ground of reality as an eternal pulse whereby what is objectively public in one moment becomes subjectively prehended in the next, and whereby the subject that emerges from its feelings then perishes into public expression as an object (or “superject”) aiming for novelty. There is a rhythm of Being between object and subject, not an ontological division. This rhythm powers the creative growth of the universe from one occasion of experience to the next. This is the Whiteheadian mantra: “The many become one and are increased by one.” - Matthew Segall

Without Love there is no Truth. And True Truth is always Loving. There is no dichotomy between these terms but only seamless integration. This is the premier centering focus of a Processual Theology of Love. - R.E. Slater

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Note: Generally I do not respond to commentary. I may read the comments but wish to reserve my time to write (or write from the comments I read). Instead, I'd like to see our community help one another and in the helping encourage and exhort each of us towards Christian love in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. - re slater

Thursday, May 30, 2024

Keith Giles - Here’s Why Most Christians Are Confused About Biblical Prophecy



Comment and Observation
by R.E. Slater


Deconstructing My Baptist Heritage

In my former "Covenant Theology" of the Old and New Testaments I would teach the bible in the way Keith Giles is teaching it below. But, whether Keith is a Covenant theologian or not, I do not know.

I also once entertained Calvinism as part of my covenant theology where God rules determinatively from the heavens above. Again, whether Keith Giles is a Calvinist or not, I do not know.

However, both of these approaches to the bible was how I had been taught in my (Reformed) Baptist tradition which I had grown up within. Today, I have kept the Covenants in both Testaments but have actively removed Calvinism (theocratic determinism) by replacing it with Arminianism (theocratic creational freewill agency) and have also contemporized Arminianism in the direction of Open and Relational theology. 

Further, instead of placing my biblical belief upon the foundations of Greek (Platonic) philosophy, (Catholic) Scholasticism, Enlightened Modernism; or upon analytical Westernized philosophy; I have removed these earlier philosophical foundational bedrocks in favor of Whitehead's process-based philosophy. Hence, here at Relevancy22, I will teach "Open and Relational Process theology which is grounded upon Whitehead's all-encompassing metaphysical process philosophy."

Some will describe process philosophy as a halfway house between Westernized analytical philosophy and (European) Continental philosophy.... However, I think of it as on it's own, and if comparing it with other cultural and religious ways of thinking and behaving, than as a step towards the Middle Eastern and Asian Eastern ways of perspectivizing at the world. In essence, Christianity should be more easily adaptable to non-Westernized nations if it is to be global in outreach. Moreover, nature acts more organically as a whole and less like how we have depicted it in the West over the centuries even though Whitehead was initially attempting to close the gap between Einsteinian and Quantum physics. As a result of his work Whitehead connected Hegel's prior cosmological work from the ancients to today's cultures and I have found in it a compassionate and hopeful teleology for the future.


A Covenantal God of Love

When approaching the bible I like to teach it within the theocratic Covenantal structures of its Testaments using a form of freewill agency where God is our "ruling" Creator/Sustainer and "present" Atoning/Savior but with an open-endedness to all  past assumed determinative biblical "prophecy". This would also importantly include a God who is highly relational and always relationally present in our lives and the lives and events of creation about us.

A God who urges us towards partnering with God's Self in bringing the Good News Gospel of God's Love and compassion through Jesus to the world - and to treat the world of creation lovingly at all times... which is quite the opposite which we find most non-democracies. And into all of this I have given to my Baptist heritage a process-relational structure and direction which is evolving over time as we lean into God's forgiving love, care, healing, mercy, and sustaining beauty.


Deconstructing the Bible and Our Beliefs

Now I do not expect Keith Giles to know about process relational theology. Nor, perhaps, to accept any form of lovingly "open and relational" theology. But when reading the article he wrote below I do appreciate his distinctions of biblical phraseology and would encourage those who read the bible to read it with an uncommon distinctiveness to it. By so doing, you will be creating more of an inductive bible study than the usual normative bible study positing popular conservative beliefs.

By this I mean that we learn to rethink the bible in holistic terms of thematic relational structure underlaid by God's holy love... and to define biblical terms more within era-contextualized and culturally-specific iconocology rather than grossly generalized bible interpretations popularized by American culture. Hence, within the bible's literature will be found differing Jewish beliefs over their ancient eras which sensed the Christ-event but laid out it's own cultural assessments within the God-inspired revelation they had presently understood. And when the Christ-event did take place, first-century Jews accordingly divided their beliefs along Messianic or non-Messianic lines. Hence, terms like "God's wrath and judgment" are enhanced or decentered when not informed by the Jesus' Incarnate - and Incarnating - compassinate presence.


How God Made the Heavens and the Earth

Lastly, I have tweaked how I think of God unlike how the ancients thought of God in the bible. Their faith was informed by God's judgment and wrath as well as mercy and grace... but with the evolution of science and modern technology our present understanding of natural events are less mystical and more perfunctory (carrying an attitude of indifference or apathy).

As example, a storm is a storm without any meaning or message from God ethically or morally. 

Because of creational freedom, nature's actions carry out events which are in line with it's "nature"... it's events may hold good or bad consequences for humans but in itself, we deem nature to be acting-in-kind to its natural self. It holds no form of "consciousness" per se of revenge or blessing (though process thought does recognize creation to have its own kind of living "consciousness" within its cosmic existence (we describe this as process-based panpsychism, which I have spoken to many times before). Thus, creaturely-and-natural events just "are" without any further implied spiritual meaning from God.

Yet, a wise man or woman would observe nature as John Muir or Aldo Leopold had done in the twentieth century, by recognizing within it's evolving output that nature is reacting to any form of mankind's external inputs. When we pollute a river there will be toxic biotic consequences to our actions. When we create mown lawns we are creating toxic deserts to bugs, birds, and varmints. When we enact war upon one another we will disturb the natural processes of the land upon which a war is being conducted... not to mention the tragic, desperate lives caught between war zones.

Similarly when we do good things in naive ways: (i) we recognize that farming practices feeds others but how we "till the land" can disturb the natural cycles upon the land. (ii) Building cities and roads across wetlands and swamps inadvertently create thermal heat sinks around a rural and urban metropolis to which powerful winds will build and react. (Iii) Placing a dam into canyons and cataracts provide water to people yet also produces additional erosional burden opon the streams located above a dam. Hence, for every naive industrial impact upon the land which mankind levies on the earth there will be a mounting order of ecological reaction akin to our own naivete.

The obvious message from God is that our wisdom is not like God's wisdom... that we need to consider the consequential burdens we place upon land... and it's resultant impacts upon people... when mining, digging, molding, shaping, building, or warring.

Conclusion

Overall, I wish to create a theology where God's love - and loving acts - are the foundation stones upon which we interact with God. In Jesus - and by Jesus' incarnational atoning work - God has shown God's Self to be loving as versus the more ancient biblical idea which beheld God as an angry Semitic (covenantal) despot requiring appeasement at every moment in our lives (altars and sacrifices). But in Jesus, he expanded the more important relational aspects of Covenant living with the God of God's and Lord of Lords that the Covenant-making God is first, last, and always a loving and compassionate, relationally present, God. Amen!

Perhaps these thoughts may help: i) those students of the bible, and, ii) Christians living and sharing their faith in innumerable socio-religious and cultural ways. I know it has helped myself when informing my Baptist faith when re-framing, or bathing, or re-centering, it in God's loving presence. That my Covenanting Father/God is as lovingly benevolent as he is my faithfully sovereign Lord and Savior.

Blessings,

R.E. Slater
May 30, 2024


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Here’s Why Most Christians Are
Confused About Biblical Prophecy

LAST UPDATED ON: SEPTEMBER 10, 2020 AT 7:29 PM
SEPTEMBER 10, 2020 BY KEITH GILES


Other than the fact that a large majority of Christians have been raised to believe in the End Times Rapture theory created in 1850 by John Nelson Darby, the main reason there’s so much confusion about the End Times and Biblical Prophecy is how we have been trained to understand certain Biblical terminology.

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For example, when we read the phrase “the end of the age” we hear “the end of the world” or “the end of time,” but that’s NOT what the phrase is referring to.

“The end of the age” is a reference to the end of the Jewish age which was originally prophesied in the book of Daniel [See Dan. 12:7 & 13] and later confirmed by Jesus in his Olivet Discourse. It’s not about when the world will end or the planet will be burned up, but about when the age of the Jewish people ends and the age of the Gentiles begins. Paul makes reference to this in Romans, also.

The end of the Jewish is simply when the Old Covenant Temple was destroyed, the Old Testament priesthood was ended and the daily animal sacrifice ceased forever. That was what happened in AD 70.

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The end of the age is also the beginning of the next age [or the “age to come”] where the New Covenant reality is unfolded and expanded upon the earth. This is the age we are in right now.

II

Another phrase we tend to misunderstand is “coming in the clouds” in reference to Jesus. For example, when Jesus says that people will see him coming in the clouds in Matthew 24, or when he tells the High Priest that soon “…you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven” [Matt. 26:64], he is not talking about the day he literally comes riding in the sky on a horse to initiate the Rapture.

The term “coming in the clouds” is a reference to God’s judgment being poured out on a nation or a city used all throughout the Old Testament scriptures by various prophets. It’s never a literal “coming in the clouds” where God shows up physically in the skies, but always a metaphorical way of saying that the destruction God’s prophets warned the people to avoid is about to be poured out – usually in the form of an invading army which destroys Babylon, or Edom, or Egypt or even Jerusalem.

III

Another example of how the coming of Jesus is seen as a warning of judgment is in Revelation where Jesus speaks to the seven churches in the first few chapters and each time he warns them to repent of their sins he mentions that if they do not he will “come to them” and take away their lampstand or rebuke them in some way. The “coming” in this sense is not a good thing. It’s a sign of something you want to avoid if at all possible.

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One related misunderstanding is also about the Second Coming of Christ where we tend to view this event as a literal physical return of Jesus in the flesh. However, the term in the Greek is “parousia” and it simply means “presence” which in the case of Christ is something we can all experience right now, even though Jesus isn’t physically in the room with us.

The word parousia is found in the following verses: Matthew 24:3, 27, 37, 39; 1 Corinthians 15:23; 1 Thessalonians 2:19; 3:13; 4:15; 5:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:1,8,9; James 5:7,8; 2 Peter 1:16; 3:4,12; 1 John 2:28.

Our challenge, then, is in what way the term “coming” is used or intended to be understood in the New Testament. Sometimes:

i) the “coming” is in reference to the fulfillment of a prophetic judgment event [as seen when Jerusalem is destroyed by the Romans in AD 70], and [at] other times

ii) the “coming” of Christ is in reference to the presence of Christ being experienced spiritually by us here and now.

[Summary] These are two different things: The “coming” which involves the fulfillment of apocalyptic prophecy by invading armies, and the “coming” which involves the experience of the presence of Christ by those who are abiding in Christ today.

Understanding the differences between when the context is the apocalyptic destruction and when the context is the presence of Christ now is pretty important.

Conclusion

For further study on this topic, I recommend the new book I just published from Quoir called “Jesus Unexpected: Ending the End Times to Become the Second Coming” which also features a Foreword by Baxter Kruger.

You can pick up a copy on Kindle or in Paperback.

Here’s what a few nice people had to say about my book:





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Keith Giles and his wife, Wendy, work with Peace Catalyst International to help build relationships between Christians and Muslims in El Paso, TX. Keith was formerly a licensed and ordained minister who walked away from organized church over a decade ago to start a home fellowship that gave away 100% of the offering to the poor in the community. Today he is the author of several best-selling books, including “Jesus Unexpected: Ending The End Times To Become The Second Coming” which is available now on Amazon.



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Keith Giles is a former pastor who left the pulpit over a decade ago to follow Jesus. He’s been interviewed on CNN with Anderson Cooper, USA Today, Fox News, BuzzFeed and hundreds of other podcasts and radio programs. He’s a regular contributor to John Fugelsang’s Sirius XM Radio show, “Tell Me Everything”, as part of the weekly “God Squad” segment, and he is the founder and co-host of the “Heretic Happy Hour Podcast”, and his solo podcast, “Second Cup with Keith.”

Keith is also the best-selling author of the 7-part “Jesus Un” book series focused on Deconstruction of the Christian faith, and the “Sola” book series focused on embracing the mystery of the Divine. His latest book, “The Quantum Sayings of Jesus: Decoding the Lost Gospel of Thomas” is available now on Amazon.

Keith currently lives in El Paso, TX with his wife Wendy.

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