Quotes & Sayings


We, and creation itself, actualize the possibilities of the God who sustains the world, towards becoming in the world in a fuller, more deeper way. - R.E. Slater

There is urgency in coming to see the world as a web of interrelated processes of which we are integral parts, so that all of our choices and actions have [consequential effects upon] the world around us. - Process Metaphysician Alfred North Whitehead

Kurt Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem says (i) all closed systems are unprovable within themselves and, that (ii) all open systems are rightly understood as incomplete. - R.E. Slater

The most true thing about you is what God has said to you in Christ, "You are My Beloved." - Tripp Fuller

The God among us is the God who refuses to be God without us, so great is God's Love. - Tripp Fuller

According to some Christian outlooks we were made for another world. Perhaps, rather, we were made for this world to recreate, reclaim, redeem, and renew unto God's future aspiration by the power of His Spirit. - R.E. Slater

Our eschatological ethos is to love. To stand with those who are oppressed. To stand against those who are oppressing. It is that simple. Love is our only calling and Christian Hope. - R.E. Slater

Secularization theory has been massively falsified. We don't live in an age of secularity. We live in an age of explosive, pervasive religiosity... an age of religious pluralism. - Peter L. Berger

Exploring the edge of life and faith in a post-everything world. - Todd Littleton

I don't need another reason to believe, your love is all around for me to see. – Anon

Thou art our need; and in giving us more of thyself thou givest us all. - Khalil Gibran, Prayer XXIII

Be careful what you pretend to be. You become what you pretend to be. - Kurt Vonnegut

Religious beliefs, far from being primary, are often shaped and adjusted by our social goals. - Jim Forest

We become who we are by what we believe and can justify. - R.E. Slater

People, even more than things, need to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed, and redeemed; never throw out anyone. – Anon

Certainly, God's love has made fools of us all. - R.E. Slater

An apocalyptic Christian faith doesn't wait for Jesus to come, but for Jesus to become in our midst. - R.E. Slater

Christian belief in God begins with the cross and resurrection of Jesus, not with rational apologetics. - Eberhard Jüngel, Jürgen Moltmann

Our knowledge of God is through the 'I-Thou' encounter, not in finding God at the end of a syllogism or argument. There is a grave danger in any Christian treatment of God as an object. The God of Jesus Christ and Scripture is irreducibly subject and never made as an object, a force, a power, or a principle that can be manipulated. - Emil Brunner

“Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh” means "I will be that who I have yet to become." - God (Ex 3.14) or, conversely, “I AM who I AM Becoming.”

Our job is to love others without stopping to inquire whether or not they are worthy. - Thomas Merton

The church is God's world-changing social experiment of bringing unlikes and differents to the Eucharist/Communion table to share life with one another as a new kind of family. When this happens, we show to the world what love, justice, peace, reconciliation, and life together is designed by God to be. The church is God's show-and-tell for the world to see how God wants us to live as a blended, global, polypluralistic family united with one will, by one Lord, and baptized by one Spirit. – Anon

The cross that is planted at the heart of the history of the world cannot be uprooted. - Jacques Ellul

The Unity in whose loving presence the universe unfolds is inside each person as a call to welcome the stranger, protect animals and the earth, respect the dignity of each person, think new thoughts, and help bring about ecological civilizations. - John Cobb & Farhan A. Shah

If you board the wrong train it is of no use running along the corridors of the train in the other direction. - Dietrich Bonhoeffer

God's justice is restorative rather than punitive; His discipline is merciful rather than punishing; His power is made perfect in weakness; and His grace is sufficient for all. – Anon

Our little [biblical] systems have their day; they have their day and cease to be. They are but broken lights of Thee, and Thou, O God art more than they. - Alfred Lord Tennyson

We can’t control God; God is uncontrollable. God can’t control us; God’s love is uncontrolling! - Thomas Jay Oord

Life in perspective but always in process... as we are relational beings in process to one another, so life events are in process in relation to each event... as God is to Self, is to world, is to us... like Father, like sons and daughters, like events... life in process yet always in perspective. - R.E. Slater

To promote societal transition to sustainable ways of living and a global society founded on a shared ethical framework which includes respect and care for the community of life, ecological integrity, universal human rights, respect for diversity, economic justice, democracy, and a culture of peace. - The Earth Charter Mission Statement

Christian humanism is the belief that human freedom, individual conscience, and unencumbered rational inquiry are compatible with the practice of Christianity or even intrinsic in its doctrine. It represents a philosophical union of Christian faith and classical humanist principles. - Scott Postma

It is never wise to have a self-appointed religious institution determine a nation's moral code. The opportunities for moral compromise and failure are high; the moral codes and creeds assuredly racist, discriminatory, or subjectively and religiously defined; and the pronouncement of inhumanitarian political objectives quite predictable. - R.E. Slater

God's love must both center and define the Christian faith and all religious or human faiths seeking human and ecological balance in worlds of subtraction, harm, tragedy, and evil. - R.E. Slater

In Whitehead’s process ontology, we can think of the experiential ground of reality as an eternal pulse whereby what is objectively public in one moment becomes subjectively prehended in the next, and whereby the subject that emerges from its feelings then perishes into public expression as an object (or “superject”) aiming for novelty. There is a rhythm of Being between object and subject, not an ontological division. This rhythm powers the creative growth of the universe from one occasion of experience to the next. This is the Whiteheadian mantra: “The many become one and are increased by one.” - Matthew Segall

Without Love there is no Truth. And True Truth is always Loving. There is no dichotomy between these terms but only seamless integration. This is the premier centering focus of a Processual Theology of Love. - R.E. Slater

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Note: Generally I do not respond to commentary. I may read the comments but wish to reserve my time to write (or write from the comments I read). Instead, I'd like to see our community help one another and in the helping encourage and exhort each of us towards Christian love in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. - re slater

Wednesday, March 5, 2025

Part 2 - Stoicism and Judaism



Part 2
Stoicism and Judaism

Compiled by R.E. Slater

SERIES
Part 2 - Stoicism and Judaism  <--- added: processual view



When speaking to Hellenism in the Ancient Near East one must also speak to the Greek philosophy of Stoicism. The Stoic school was founded by Zeno of Citium around 300 BCE. He was a voracious reader of the Socratic dialogues and studied under the Cynic, Crates; he was also influenced by the teachings of Plato's Academy and Megarian School (cf SEOP - Stoicism)
In Ethics and political philosophy, Stoicism and Platonism seem to be quite close to one another, and yet the schools remained quite distinct historically. Stoics did not call themselves Platonists, nor Platonists called themselves Stoics.

The main similarities seem to be in the role that both Plato and the Stoics attribute to the importance of society for the individual (namely that the quality of society is determined by the quality of individuals "society is man writ large", but at the same time the individual ought to serve the interests of society), the centrality of virtue to happiness, and the idea that the good man will benefit both in this world and in the next. - ANON
It is important to point out that Semitic Judaism AFTER the Babylonian Conquest began to change from an isolated Canaanite religion to a more profoundly connected Near Eastern / Levant religion. Previously, it had been affected by the Sumerian and Egyptian cultures re the Abrahamic Fathers. And in its pre-Monarchy and Monarchy eras to those influences near itself (Ammon, Moab, Edom, Aram, Phoenicia, Philistine). But after the First Temple's destruction everything changed for Israel (and for the ten tribes much earlier with their absorption into Assyria).

Generally, Israel's faith and religion may be describes as affectedly Semitic but that after it's exile out of the Land (re Babylon: c.610, 597, 586 BCE) it's Semitic-Canaanite-Jewish faith began to be enlarged in a more global sense in that Zoroastrian-Persia (sic, ancient Persia's Achaemenid Empire) held more of an Indo-Asian influence than it did a Semitic influence. And not many years later, say about  200 years later (538-333 BCE), under Alexander the Great, the Macedonian-Greek enculturations began to thoroughly sweep across the many admixtures of the "modern" eras of Mesopotamian kingdoms, embedding itself across the ancient Near East.

Hence, ancient first-temple Judaism differs from second-temple Judaism in it's InterTestamental Period differs from it's earliest Rabbinic / Talmudic forms of Judaism under Hellenism (specifically that of Platonism and Stoicism's influences).

Why is this important?

Because as the Jewish Torah, Writings, and Prophets were being collected and written down tyring imagining how one might re-capture the different Semitic cultural eras of earlier Judaism into a written text under the separate and collected influences of Israel's later ancient enculturated histories?

The Hebrew Scriptures have experienced as many influences and variations in them as the church's own Christian Scriptures have under their own separate and collected first Millennial influences (the first 1000 years of the church).

The point being, having introduced Israel's Patriarchs and Priesthood in recent posts, and then explored the early Church Fathers in those same posts, we are now coming into additional enculturating syncretic religious forces affecting both the Jewish and Christian faiths. They may be for good or for ill but these forces have especially resulted apace in Rome's first century oppression, persecution, and destruction upon both the Jewish temple and Christian church bodies.

Might we ask, "How many hundreds and thousands of permutations have now resulted from thesis to antithesis to synthesis over the centuries that have affected the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures?" We can easily find local, regional, geographic, cultural, and temporal translations, readings, teachings, rites, rituals, traditions, and beliefs resulting from Israel and the early Church's God across time and space, can we not?

The Importance of ReCapturing Legacies

And so, in addition to briefly introducing "Hellenism and Judaism," and "Stoicism and Judaism," I will also introduce "Hellenism and Christianity," and "Stoicism and Christianity" - all in an effort to show that what one believes about God, and how one conducts oneself in that belief, has been deeply affected by enculturating forces through human history.

And more simply, that it is a fairly impossible task to conduct one's faith as it was once conducted because those faith experiences have each-and-everyone been influenced by their own past eras of beliefs and situational life styles.

As example, I heard said at one time in my life that the church must get back to the practices of the early church. Which is all well and good, even whole sects such as the Disciples of Christ under William and Alexander Campbell had tried to restore their 18th century church  practices back to the days of Platonic / Stoic Christianity. This idea was known as Restorationism.

A New Proposal

However, perhaps we can do better. Be less naive. Be a bit more pro-active and work towards philosophic-theologies which may admit the idea and worship of God to be a bit less anthropocentric and a bit more eco-cosmologic centric while admitting how this displacing philosophic might re-found the foundations of earlier forms of the Jewish and Christian faith in its own kind of philosophical-theological restorationism.

And if so, than it is neither out-of-bounds, nor untimely, to look for a more expansive, more central, more reasonable philosophic-theological foundation. One to which this website is committed and known as Process Philosophy and Theology ala Alfred North Whitehead who picked up its thread and can be traced all the way back into ancient times and eras.

We can thus keep the Hebrew and Christian bibles but may also re-read those ancient texts in contemporary manner noting ancient details, narratives, myths, legions, legacies, manners and customs, times and eras while also placing all unto a processual foundation that is organically tied to how creation works and by supposition of one's natural theology, how the divine or supernatural works albeit the formation of processual "bible" teachings, worship, conduct, and tenants.

Something to think about...

In Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior,

R.E. Slater
March 5, 2025

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Wikipedia - 

Process philosophy (also ontology of becoming or processism) is an approach in philosophy that identifies processes, changes, or shifting relationships as the only real experience of everyday living. In opposition to the classical view of change as illusory (as argued by Parmenides) or accidental (as argued by Aristotle), process philosophy posits transient occasions of change or becoming as the only fundamental things of the ordinary everyday real world.

Since the time of Plato and Aristotle, classical ontology has posited ordinary world reality as constituted of enduring substances, to which transient processes are ontologically subordinate, if not denied altogether. As example, if Socrates changes, becoming sick, Socrates is still the same (the substance of Socrates being the same), and change (his sickness) only glides over his substance: change is accidental, and devoid of primary reality, whereas the substance is essential.

In physics, Ilya Prigogine distinguishes between the "physics of being" and the "physics of becoming". Process philosophy covers not just scientific intuitions and experiences, but can be used as a conceptual bridge to facilitate discussions among religion, philosophy, and science.

Process philosophy is sometimes classified as closer to continental philosophy than [Western] analytic philosophy, because it is usually only taught in continental philosophy departments. However, other sources state that process philosophy should be placed somewhere in the middle between the poles of analytic versus continental methods in contemporary philosophy.


Wikipedia - 

Process theology is a type of theology developed from Alfred North Whitehead's (1861–1947) process philosophy, but most notably by Charles Hartshorne (1897–2000), John B. Cobb (b. 1925), and Eugene H. Peters (1929–1983). Process theology and process philosophy are collectively referred to as "process thought".

For both Whitehead and Hartshorne, it is an essential attribute of God to affect and be affected by temporal processes, contrary to the forms of theism that hold God to be in all respects non-temporal (eternal), unchanging (immutable), and unaffected by the world (impassible). Process theology does not deny that God is in some respects eternal (will never die), immutable (in the sense that God is unchangingly good), and impassible (in the sense that God's eternal aspect is unaffected by actuality), but it contradicts the classical view by insisting [in important ways] that God is in some respects temporal, mutable, and passible.

According to Cobb, "process theology may refer to all forms of theology that emphasize event, occurrence, or becoming over substance. In this sense, theology influenced by G. W. F. Hegel is process theology just as much as that influenced by Whitehead. This use of the term calls attention to affinities between these otherwise quite different traditions." Also, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin can be included among process theologians, even if he is generally understood as referring to the Whiteheadian/Hartshornean school [of thought], where there continues to be ongoing debates within the field on the nature of God, the relationship of God and the world, and immortality.

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The Influence of Stoicism Upon
Ancient Rabbinic/Talmudic Judaism

Compiled by R.E. Slater

Stoicism and Judaism share many philosophical and ethical ideas, including concepts of human flourishing, the origin of the world, and the nature of God.

Human flourishing
  • Both Judaism and Stoicism emphasize how we treat others and how we can improve our character, emotions, and thinking.
  • Rabbi Hillel the Elder taught "Do not do to others what is hateful to you".
The origin of the world
  • Both Judaism and Stoicism have similar ideas about the origin of the world.
  • Stoics believe the universe is made of logos, or a rational principle.
The nature of God
  • Stoics see the divine as part of nature, guiding the universe and helping us grow virtues like wisdom and courage.
Other connections
  • Stoicism was popular with Roman jurists and became a major part of Greco-Roman rhetorical culture.
  • Stoicism was already established in Jesus' time, and much of what he taught reflects Stoic thought.
  • Some fundamental teachings of Stoicism appear in the Bible.
  • The Stoic theory of the Logos became central in Philo and in the Gospel according to St. John.

PARALLES, DIFFERENCES, CONNECTIONS

Judaism and Stoicism share some parallels, including ideas about fate, morality, and living in accordance with nature. However, they also differ in their views on God and the relationship with God.

Similarities

Living in accordance with nature
  • Both Judaism and Stoicism encourage people to use their intellect to live in a reasonable way.
Stewardship
  • Both Judaism and Stoicism teach that people are stewards of what they think they own, not the owners.
Ideas about fate
  • Both Judaism and Stoicism have ideas about fate, such as "that which has been is what will be".
Differences

God
  • Judaism views God as one, omnipotent, and personal, while Stoicism views the divine as part of nature.
Relationship with God
  • Judaism has a covenantal relationship with God, while Stoicism has a non-covenantal relationship with the divine.
Supreme Being
  • Judaism views God as transcendent, while Stoicism views the divine as impersonal and imminent in the physical world.
Other connections
  • Stoicism was prevalent in the Roman Empire during the biblical age.
  • Stoic casuistry was known to rabbinic scholars.
  • Stoic rhetorical forms appear in rabbinism.

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Stoicism and Judaism:
Exploring Parallels, Differences, and Connections
by Master Stoicism | Dec 18, 2024

Judaism, Stoicism, religion and philosophy, ancient religions, Jewish beliefs, ethical teachings, Stoic values, religious parallels, Jewish spirituality, philosophical insights, moral wisdom, religion and ethics, ancient teachings, Stoic ethics, Jewish practices, religious philosophy, faith-based wisdom, spiritual resilience, Jewish traditions, Stoicism in religion, interfaith understanding, cultural connections, religious values, virtue and religion, faith and reason

From Vol. 3, Issue 1, January 2021
Stoicism and (Rabbinic & Talmudic) Judaism


Biblical Judaism—arguably the world’s oldest monotheistic religion— preceded the development of Stoicism by well over a thousand years.

However, rabbinic or Talmudic Judaism (ca. 70-500 CE) was roughly contemporaneous with the life of Marcus Aurelius (121 -180 CE). Indeed, legend has it that the compiler of the Talmud, Rabbi Yehuda ha Nasi (ca. 135—220 CE) was a friend of one of the Antonine emperors — either Antonius Pius or Marcus himself.

In comparing and contrasting Talmudic Judaism with Stoicism, we can analyze two quite different frames of reference: (1) metaphysics and theology; and (2) ethics, psychology, and character.

METAPHYSICS AND THEOLOGY

To oversimplify considerably, Biblical Judaism is grounded in the belief in one omniscient, omnipotent God, who is both transcendent and immanent; that is, both outside of space, time, and the physical universe, yet pervasively present in the physical universe. The relationship of God to Man in Judaism is covenantal, prescriptive, and personal. God commands us to follow specified rules and laws; violation leads to punishment and alienation from God. The God of the Hebrew Bible speaks personally to mankind through prophets such as Moses; and mankind often “talks back” to God--sometimes quite argumentatively!

In contrast, the somewhat ill-defined Supreme Being of the Stoics is an impersonal entity that is imminent in the physical world, but not transcendent. The relationship between mankind and the Stoic Supreme Being is non-covenantal and non-prescriptive. Thus, while this Being, in some sense, “wills that we should obey moral principles,” it does not promulgate specific commandments or laws, such as “Keep the sabbath.” Moreover, there are no Stoic “prophets” to convey any explicit wishes of this Supreme Being.

ETHICS, PSYCHOLOGY, AND CHARACTER

Judaism and Stoicism have quite similar concepts of what might be called “human flourishing” (eudaimonia). In simplest terms, this comes down to how we behave toward one another; and how we can refine our thinking, emotions, and character. We can summarize these Judeo-Stoic similarities by examining four main areas:
  • Tact, empathy, and compassion: Both Judaism and Stoicism emphasize our common humanity, and the obligation to respect all persons. Thus, Rabbi Hillel the Elder taught, “Do not do to others what is hateful to you” (a version of the “Golden Rule”); while Marcus Aurelius taught that,
…man’s proper work is kindness to his fellow man. - Meditations, 8.26.
  •  Anger, rage, and revenge: Both the rabbis of the Talmud and the Stoic sages viewed anger very harshly. The Talmud compares anger to idolatry (i.e., one worships oneself); and Marcus taught that,
Our rage and lamentations do us more harm than whatever caused our anger and grief in the first place. - Meditations, 11.18
  • Worry, sorrow and depression: The rabbis saw excessive worry as a kind of cognitive error, correctable by rational thinking. Thus, Maimonides held that “…It is the duty of man to subordinate all the faculties of his soul to his reason.” Similarly, Marcus taught that,
…our perturbations come only from the opinion which is within…. - Meditations 8.3
  • Joyfulness, gratitude and pleasure: Both rabbinic and Stoic ethics teach us to limit our desires and appreciate what we have. Thus, the Talmud asks, “Who is rich?” and answers, “He who rejoices in his portion.”; and Seneca teaches that,
It is in no man’s power to have whatever he wants; but he has it in his power not to wish for what he hasn’t got…”- Letters from a Stoic. [Epistulae Morales ad Lucilium] Letter 122

CONCLUSION

The rich spiritual and philosophical traditions of Judaism and Stoicism begin with quite different conceptions of the universe and of God; yet both exhort us to respect the common bond of humanity; to avoid anger; to examine the cognitive judgments that underlie worry; and to cultivate gratitude for the blessings bestowed upon us.

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