Quotes & Sayings


We, and creation itself, actualize the possibilities of the God who sustains the world, towards becoming in the world in a fuller, more deeper way. - R.E. Slater

There is urgency in coming to see the world as a web of interrelated processes of which we are integral parts, so that all of our choices and actions have [consequential effects upon] the world around us. - Process Metaphysician Alfred North Whitehead

Kurt Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem says (i) all closed systems are unprovable within themselves and, that (ii) all open systems are rightly understood as incomplete. - R.E. Slater

The most true thing about you is what God has said to you in Christ, "You are My Beloved." - Tripp Fuller

The God among us is the God who refuses to be God without us, so great is God's Love. - Tripp Fuller

According to some Christian outlooks we were made for another world. Perhaps, rather, we were made for this world to recreate, reclaim, redeem, and renew unto God's future aspiration by the power of His Spirit. - R.E. Slater

Our eschatological ethos is to love. To stand with those who are oppressed. To stand against those who are oppressing. It is that simple. Love is our only calling and Christian Hope. - R.E. Slater

Secularization theory has been massively falsified. We don't live in an age of secularity. We live in an age of explosive, pervasive religiosity... an age of religious pluralism. - Peter L. Berger

Exploring the edge of life and faith in a post-everything world. - Todd Littleton

I don't need another reason to believe, your love is all around for me to see. – Anon

Thou art our need; and in giving us more of thyself thou givest us all. - Khalil Gibran, Prayer XXIII

Be careful what you pretend to be. You become what you pretend to be. - Kurt Vonnegut

Religious beliefs, far from being primary, are often shaped and adjusted by our social goals. - Jim Forest

We become who we are by what we believe and can justify. - R.E. Slater

People, even more than things, need to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed, and redeemed; never throw out anyone. – Anon

Certainly, God's love has made fools of us all. - R.E. Slater

An apocalyptic Christian faith doesn't wait for Jesus to come, but for Jesus to become in our midst. - R.E. Slater

Christian belief in God begins with the cross and resurrection of Jesus, not with rational apologetics. - Eberhard Jüngel, Jürgen Moltmann

Our knowledge of God is through the 'I-Thou' encounter, not in finding God at the end of a syllogism or argument. There is a grave danger in any Christian treatment of God as an object. The God of Jesus Christ and Scripture is irreducibly subject and never made as an object, a force, a power, or a principle that can be manipulated. - Emil Brunner

“Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh” means "I will be that who I have yet to become." - God (Ex 3.14) or, conversely, “I AM who I AM Becoming.”

Our job is to love others without stopping to inquire whether or not they are worthy. - Thomas Merton

The church is God's world-changing social experiment of bringing unlikes and differents to the Eucharist/Communion table to share life with one another as a new kind of family. When this happens, we show to the world what love, justice, peace, reconciliation, and life together is designed by God to be. The church is God's show-and-tell for the world to see how God wants us to live as a blended, global, polypluralistic family united with one will, by one Lord, and baptized by one Spirit. – Anon

The cross that is planted at the heart of the history of the world cannot be uprooted. - Jacques Ellul

The Unity in whose loving presence the universe unfolds is inside each person as a call to welcome the stranger, protect animals and the earth, respect the dignity of each person, think new thoughts, and help bring about ecological civilizations. - John Cobb & Farhan A. Shah

If you board the wrong train it is of no use running along the corridors of the train in the other direction. - Dietrich Bonhoeffer

God's justice is restorative rather than punitive; His discipline is merciful rather than punishing; His power is made perfect in weakness; and His grace is sufficient for all. – Anon

Our little [biblical] systems have their day; they have their day and cease to be. They are but broken lights of Thee, and Thou, O God art more than they. - Alfred Lord Tennyson

We can’t control God; God is uncontrollable. God can’t control us; God’s love is uncontrolling! - Thomas Jay Oord

Life in perspective but always in process... as we are relational beings in process to one another, so life events are in process in relation to each event... as God is to Self, is to world, is to us... like Father, like sons and daughters, like events... life in process yet always in perspective. - R.E. Slater

To promote societal transition to sustainable ways of living and a global society founded on a shared ethical framework which includes respect and care for the community of life, ecological integrity, universal human rights, respect for diversity, economic justice, democracy, and a culture of peace. - The Earth Charter Mission Statement

Christian humanism is the belief that human freedom, individual conscience, and unencumbered rational inquiry are compatible with the practice of Christianity or even intrinsic in its doctrine. It represents a philosophical union of Christian faith and classical humanist principles. - Scott Postma

It is never wise to have a self-appointed religious institution determine a nation's moral code. The opportunities for moral compromise and failure are high; the moral codes and creeds assuredly racist, discriminatory, or subjectively and religiously defined; and the pronouncement of inhumanitarian political objectives quite predictable. - R.E. Slater

God's love must both center and define the Christian faith and all religious or human faiths seeking human and ecological balance in worlds of subtraction, harm, tragedy, and evil. - R.E. Slater

In Whitehead’s process ontology, we can think of the experiential ground of reality as an eternal pulse whereby what is objectively public in one moment becomes subjectively prehended in the next, and whereby the subject that emerges from its feelings then perishes into public expression as an object (or “superject”) aiming for novelty. There is a rhythm of Being between object and subject, not an ontological division. This rhythm powers the creative growth of the universe from one occasion of experience to the next. This is the Whiteheadian mantra: “The many become one and are increased by one.” - Matthew Segall

Without Love there is no Truth. And True Truth is always Loving. There is no dichotomy between these terms but only seamless integration. This is the premier centering focus of a Processual Theology of Love. - R.E. Slater

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Note: Generally I do not respond to commentary. I may read the comments but wish to reserve my time to write (or write off the comments I read). Instead, I'd like to see our community help one another and in the helping encourage and exhort each of us towards Christian love in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. - re slater

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Sunday, October 31, 2021

Untying the Gordian Knot: Process, Reality, and Context - Session 1

Untying the Gordian Knot:
Process, Reality, and Context

What an honor it is to hear from the second generation of process theologians and philosophers now in their late 80s and 90s still able to share their journey with us of the third and fourth generations. The Cobb Institute, as well as many other process organizations and websites like Relevancy22, have been dissecting and weaving together their dialogues, discussions, books, journals, and podcasts over the years so that they are not lost to history, and quite open for exploration and discovery by future generations of process Whiteheadians.

Do take advantage of these living souls in their late years. It is with great honor that these several process theologians continue to share their personal journeys into the realms of the biological, quantum and psychological/sociological sciences.

Lastly, thank you to all those in the process community who have been willing to make time and effort to share their separate process insights from their respective disciplines! Each thought, each soul, helps create depth to a very complex philosophy of cosmology.

As introduction to these series, earlier this past summer the Cobb Institute began an 8-part series discussing and distinguishing substantive philosophies and sciences from those of the process variety. Hosted by Matt Segall, John Cobb, and Tim Eastman each explore Eastman's book written in December 2020 on untying the Gordian Knot of physics. Enjoy.

R.E. Slater
October 31, 2021



Untying the Gordian Knot: Process, Reality, and Context



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Amazon Link


Untying the Gordian Knot
Process, Reality, and Context

by Timothy Eastman
In Untying the Gordian Knot: Process, Reality, and Context, Timothy E. Eastman proposes a new creative synthesis, the Logoi framework - which is radically inclusive and incorporates both actuality and potentiality - (1) to show how the fundamental notions of process, logic, and relations, woven with triads of input-output-context and quantum logical distinctions, can resolve a baker’s dozen of age-old philosophic problems.
Further, (2) Eastman leverages a century of advances in quantum physics and the Relational Realism interpretation pioneered by Michael Epperson and Elias Zafiris and augmented by the independent research of Ruth Kastner and Hans Primas to resolve long-standing issues in understanding quantum physics. 
Adding to this, (3) Eastman makes use of advances in information and complex systems, semiotics, and process philosophy to show how multiple levels of context, combined with relations—including potential relations—both local and local-global, can provide a grounding for causation, emergence, and physical law. 
Finally, (4) the Logoi framework goes beyond standard ways of knowing—that of context independence (science) and context focus (arts, humanities)—to demonstrate the inevitable role of ultimate context (meaning, spiritual dimension) as part of a transformative ecological vision, which is urgently needed in these times of human and environmental crises.


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The Gordian Knot
Aug 9, 2021



The Gordian Knot is an intractable problem (untying an impossibly tangled knot) solved easily by finding an approach to the problem that renders the perceived constraints of the problem moot ("cutting the Gordian knot"). - Wikipedia



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Tim Eastman Unties the Gordian Knot - Session 1
Jun 18, 2021



THE COBB INSTITUTE
In this session Tim Eastman, provides an introduction to the book and the first chapter, and Mikhail Epstein and Jude Jones offer a response.

00:00:00 - 00:06:27 - Introduction

00:06:28 - 00:13:50 - Welcome from John Cobb

00:16:27 - 00:41:14 - Presentation by Tim Eastman

00:42:16 - 00:52:14 - Response by Mikhail Epstein

00:53:35 - 01:07:01 - Response by Jude Jones

01:07:02 - 01:18:05 - Conversation between Tim and respondents

01:18:06 - Open Conversation Meeting Chat Text: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KDjr...
Chapter Summary, by Tim Eastman
This series of conversations is provided by the Cobb Institute. Please consider supporting this program and others like it by giving. https://cobb.institute/donate/


CHAT TEXT

00:44:08 Angela于思群: 来啦

00:51:44 George Lucas: Tim, your approach distinguishes actuality from possibility (potentiality).  But what about probability?  All things are (in principle) possible, but not all are equally probable.  Shouldn't you use probability as your contrast with actuality, giving credence to those states of matter/energy that are "likely alternatives" to what is actual?

00:52:34 Matt Segall: Good question, George. We’ll return to this later.

00:52:44 Matt Segall: To everyone: please do continue to populate the chat with your questions!

01:02:42 Rick Doherty QUUF Port Townsend: How do the concepts of the criticality of TIME, which is eliminated in much of current physics,  Lee Smolin in his recent book Time Reborn relate to your current thoughts, Dr. Eastman?

01:04:29 Wolfgang Leidhold: Tim: do I unterstand you correctly: you always equate experience and sensory, right? Or are there other forms of experience, e.g. imagination? And might these various forms, if they exist, go through a process of development as well?

01:16:15 Gary Herstein: Or Whitehead's own poetic reflections on his childhood in the Kentish countryside.

01:16:34 Farzad Mahootian: Building on George’s question, Tim, you bring in probability when you mention the “unravelling of every kind of necessity” (p.8)— the “new” kind of reasoning introduced powerfully in the 19th century with the population and statistical thinking as it is applied in thermodynamics, evolutionary theory, genetics etc) by Darwinian theory and statistical mechanics. So my question is (with tongue in cheek)  which is more important: possibility of probability, or the possibility of probability? In other words, which if either, is more fundamental?

01:27:49 Farzad Mahootian: Loving Judith’s comparison of Tim’s approach with the Alexandrian way of attacking the knot, and evolving it into a Wordsorthian inspiration.  Knots as answers! Subduers of imagination and understanding!  Celtic knottingly-repetitive, but not obscure. Never resist a good metaphor! Knotty metaphors as living building materials. Thanks Jude!

01:28:15 John Fahey / Cobb Institute / Claremont CA: Thank you Jude!

01:30:21 Benjamin Snyder: I'm interested in the questions about possibility and probability since it also then seems to involve distinguishing Peirce's categories of firstness and thirndess ("may-be" and "would-be").

01:30:35 Randall Auxier: I love the poetry but I worry it invites people on the fence to dismiss us as a bunch of dreamers.

01:30:42 Alexei: Continueing the narrative by Jude Jones, I would like to peronalize the "knots" that get propagated in nature, and they can be called "agency", more precisely "semiotic agency". This is the topic of a new interdisciplinary area of biosemiotics which assumes that semiotic agency and semiosis are coextensive with life. In addition to input, output, and context, we need to consider agency that integrates these three. Charles Morris proposed that agency or interpreter is a key component of semiotic process.

01:32:48 George Lucas: I have to pick up grandkids for afternoon babysitting in a few minutes.  Sorry to depart, b/c this was a great opening session.  Thanks Tim, Jude and Mikhail, and to John, Matt and Richard for sponsoring and organizing.  Great to see everyone.

01:34:46 Matt Segall: On Boolean Logic (the logic of actuality, as Tim suggests) for those note familiar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_algebra

01:36:43 Jude Jones: Farzad your summary is so much more perspicuous than my verbiage lol! Thank you!

01:38:05 Gary Nelson: Also see Wikipedia Intuitionist Logic

01:38:27 Farzad Mahootian: Thanks! Just riffing on your tune!

01:38:46 Kevin Clark: "To be", "to know", AND "potentiology" ! I like it!

01:38:47 jonmeyer: Isn’t probability theory a specialized technique / high abstraction within the field of mathematics, and not a metaphysical distinction related to possible/actual?

01:42:02 Guadalupe: probability accounts for the actual possibility or potentiality

01:42:36 Guadalupe: Agree

01:42:45 Jude Jones: Maybe looking at probability’s metaphysical bite via Peirce’s ideas of “habit” in nature would be appropriate?

01:44:17 Randall Auxier: An observation: logically we are not obliged to start with actuality in a coordinate analysis. So long as we are not proposing to divide what is indivisible, we can analyze actual and possible and relational entities starting with any of these. This is the value of coordinate analysis. Thus we can begin with what is possible and follow its train to the actual (what Kant called a hypothetical logic), or begin with what is actual and follow its implications for what may be actual (what Kant called assertoric logic, and this includes probability theories), or we can begin with what is actual abstracted from its actuality and follow it to the possible (what Kant called problematic logic).

01:45:06 Randall Auxier: Pdeirce’s triads derive from Kant’s logic.

01:46:13 Gary Nelson: According to Robert Goldblatt in his book Topoi, the natural logic of SET theory is propositional, whereas Heyting’s intuitionist logic is appropriate for Category theory

01:48:32 Gary Herstein: Dummett also viewed Heyting logic as the base logic of metaphysics. I've argued for applying the categorical approach over the set theoretic one to ideas of basic metaphysical thinking.

01:53:16 Gary Nelson: Heating logic omits the Excluded Middle and Double Negation.

01:53:27 Gary Nelson: Heyting

01:55:46 Randall Auxier: Whitehead is in no way committed to non-contradiction and/or excluded middle, That is a very narrow ideology he always rejected.

01:56:48 Jude Jones: I’m intrigued by the possibility of defending Einstein’s Spinozism

02:01:25 Randall Auxier: I agree with Tim —leave General Relativity to its well-earned actuals grave.

02:01:36 Randall Auxier: actualist

02:02:46 Matt Switzer: To the esteemed Jungian scholar next to Tim: how do you see this Peircean and Whiteheadian framework as benefitting from or contributing to C. G. Jung’s cosmology and the relevance of dreams, especially in terms of the dreams for social transformation and the integration or repression of these dreams from or back into the personal and collective unconscious?

02:07:48 Jude Jones: That’s what I was suggesting with the reference to Levy Bruhl, who saw the spirit of “magic” in culture as a participatory comportment toward the cosmos

02:08:05 Jude Jones: Not toward, ‘in’!

02:10:09 Farzad Mahootian: @Jude and @Wolfgang. It is also the missing fourth that follows from the triadic view: it is matter (hyle) and magic.

02:10:13 Guadalupe: Is there a relationship between potentiality and final cause?

02:14:39 Farzad Mahootian: @Alexei: not just i/o not just input but agency; output is construction, context is [all other actualities]; acting anticipatorily… syymbolization is what agents do and this creates “the future”

02:15:06 Anderson Weekes: please include the chat in the recording that you post

02:17:03 Farzad Mahootian: Tim on Plato and Socrates: Socratic pointing to the good, Plato’s symbolization of Socrates pointing to the good life.

02:19:31 Jude Jones: I’m comfortable with panpsychism ;)

02:20:01 Farzad Mahootian: @TIm: I agree with  potential agency all the way down


Tuesday, February 15, 2022

Untying the Gordian Knot: Process, Reality, and Context - Session 8


The Alexandrian Solution


Untying the Gordian Knot:
Process, Reality, and Context

What an honor it is to hear from the second generation of process theologians and philosophers now in their late 80s and 90s still able to share their journey with us of the third and fourth generations. The Cobb Institute, as well as many other process organizations and websites like Relevancy22, have been dissecting and weaving together their dialogues, discussions, books, journals, and podcasts over the years so that they are not lost to history, and quite open for exploration and discovery by future generations of process Whiteheadians.

Do take advantage of these living souls in their late years. It is with great honor that these several process theologians continue to share their personal journeys into the realms of the biological, quantum and psychological/sociological sciences.

Lastly, thank you to all those in the process community who have been willing to make time and effort to share their separate process insights from their respective disciplines! Each thought, each soul, helps create depth to a very complex philosophy of cosmology.

As introduction to these series, earlier this past summer the Cobb Institute began an 8-part series discussing and distinguishing substantive philosophies and sciences from those of the process variety. Hosted by Matt Segall, John Cobb, and Tim Eastman each explore Eastman's book written in December 2020 on untying the Gordian Knot of physics. Enjoy.

R.E. Slater
October 31, 2021



Untying the Gordian Knot: Process, Reality, and Context



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Amazon Link


Untying the Gordian Knot
Process, Reality, and Context

by Timothy Eastman
In Untying the Gordian Knot: Process, Reality, and Context, Timothy E. Eastman proposes a new creative synthesis, the Logoi framework - which is radically inclusive and incorporates both actuality and potentiality - (1) to show how the fundamental notions of process, logic, and relations, woven with triads of input-output-context and quantum logical distinctions, can resolve a baker’s dozen of age-old philosophic problems.
Further, (2) Eastman leverages a century of advances in quantum physics and the Relational Realism interpretation pioneered by Michael Epperson and Elias Zafiris and augmented by the independent research of Ruth Kastner and Hans Primas to resolve long-standing issues in understanding quantum physics. 
Adding to this, (3) Eastman makes use of advances in information and complex systems, semiotics, and process philosophy to show how multiple levels of context, combined with relations—including potential relations—both local and local-global, can provide a grounding for causation, emergence, and physical law. 
Finally, (4) the Logoi framework goes beyond standard ways of knowing—that of context independence (science) and context focus (arts, humanities)—to demonstrate the inevitable role of ultimate context (meaning, spiritual dimension) as part of a transformative ecological vision, which is urgently needed in these times of human and environmental crises.


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The Gordian Knot is an intractable problem (untying an impossibly tangled knot) solved easily by finding an approach to the problem that renders the perceived constraints of the problem moot ("cutting the Gordian knot"). - Wikipedia


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Tim Eastman Unties the Gordian Knot - Session 8
Jan 29, 2022



THE COBB INSTITUTE
In this session Tim Eastman provides a summary of chapter eight, after which Thandeka, Dan Dombrowski, Edward Kelly offer responses.

00:00:05 - 00:01:28 - Welcome from Matt Segall

00:01:29 - 00:12:42 - Presentation by Tim Eastman

00:12:48 - 00:29:15 - Response by Thandeka

00:29:50 - 00:43:13 - Response by Dan Dombrowski

00:43:20 - 01:09:08 - Response by Edward Kelly

01:09:10 - 02:04:22 - Open Conversation Tim Eastman's chapter summary notes:


Chapter Summary, by Tim Eastman


This series is provided by the Cobb Institute. Please consider supporting this program and others like it by giving. https://cobb.institute/donate/


CHAT TEXT


000:26:42 Don Juan de la ciudad de campiones: Sorry for call name on my profile, I do not know how to change it

00:37:13 Anderson Weekes: please can Thankeka make this text available to us?

00:38:00 Jude Jones: ^^^ ditto!

00:38:00 Lynn De Jonghe: Yes, ditto. I would love to read his and have the references.

00:39:18 George Strawn: Ditto for Tim’s written comments

00:40:09 Jude Jones: ^^ yes! Maybe a file with all the various presentations over these months could be made available? It could underwrite a continuing conversation around this!
00:41:14 Richard Livingston / Cobb Institute: All of Tim's opening comments / chapter summaries are available on the Science Advisory Committee web page here: https://cobb.institute/science-advisory-committee/

00:44:33 Kevin Clark: Could we also get Dan's comments made available?

00:49:46 Richard Livingston / Cobb Institute: If the respondents would like to share them here, they're welcome to do so. And, as Matt mentioned, if they're comfortable with us posting them on the Science Committee's web page, we'll be glad to post them there as well so that we have them all in a central / easy to find location.

01:12:20 Anderson Weekes: Question for Dan. Pushing back a bit on Dan’s characterization of orality. He contrasts it with writing in terms of ephemerality vs permanence and the way writing invites and seems to require analysis. However, the most prominent character of orality was not just ephemerality -- as if there were only one performance of any given oral composition. It was essential to orality that it was a tradition, that performances were endlessly repeated and heard by auditors many, many times.

01:12:36 Anderson Weekes: Furthermore, the performance techniques they employed resulted in a fairly systematic ringing of variations in the presentation of the content, making various implicit meanings and possibilities explicit by contrasts among the different recurring performance. So I think there is already a certain kind of permanence and analysis already characteristic of orality – which is not to deny that there are nevertheless deep and important differences, but permanence and analysis do not seem to be what most distinguishes orality and writing. How bout it?

01:18:12 Matt Segall: Great questions, Anderson. If others have questions feel free to share them in the chat. We’ll transition to open dialogue in a few minutes here.

01:28:15 Thomas Royce: Does the concept of "pre-space" have any relationship to Reg Cahill's notion of "pre-geometry" or say Penrose's realm of mathematical entities as having an ontological reality that is" outside of" the space and time continuum.

01:30:22 Mikhail Epstein: To add about the order of potentialities. Possibilism assumes that a thing or event acquires meaning only in the context of its possibilities, of what it may be as opposed to what it actually is. An actual A has any meaning only in the context of a possible P. A world consisting only of actualities would be devoid of meaning and significance.

01:33:55 Anderson Weekes: Indeed, that is the thesis proven in the Funeral Games episode of the iliad

01:34:58 Douglas Tooley: A bit of a reach here tying together two questions. Would Thandeka equate ‘distress’ with the Buddhist perspective on ‘suffering’? Tibetan Buddhism also has a practice of receiving teachings via an oral(aural) ‘transmission’.

Does Dan see a qualitative difference between written and ‘musical’ teachings, such as in the musicality of the teacher?

01:37:40 Kevin Clark: If there's time, I have a question about Tim's discussion of "ground of potentiae" on pp. 254-61f and the conception of ontological ultimates on 257 as dialectic or dipolar. I'd like him to explain and/or clarify these.

01:38:25 Matt Segall: I think of Plato’s Phaedrus here, where if I recall correctly (!) Socrates suggests that literacy also has negative consequences for memory

01:38:55 matt switzer: Repeat performances, memory, instinct, reflection, unconscious motivations…preserved in poetics?

01:39:27 Jude Jones: With Douglas, I would also like to hear much more about “distress” (of separation in particular) and its various possible cognates, that Thandeka brought up

01:41:31 Jude Jones: Separation that is enforced, or that dwells on itself, is contrary to the conatus of things

01:43:37 Matt Segall: Re: nothingness, I think of the final chapter of Bergson’s “Creative Evolution.” The ‘nothingness’ or ‘sunyata’ of Buddhist thought seems like a mystical metaphor for an experience that is simultaneously ‘full’ (of compassion/karuna). I think Bergson was speaking in more logical terms.

01:44:54 matt switzer: Parmenides: “by being, it is”

01:46:14 Jude Jones: I think in part we are caught between the semantics imposed by the western history of philosophy’s use of “intelligibility” and the process of “intelligence” of a broader sort. But maybe our point is that the latter needs to redefine the former

01:48:48 Farzad Mahootian: (Sorry I’ve been in and out) The Bohr quote recall is paraphrased here: the opposite of a trivial truth is a trivial falsehood. The opposite of a profound truth is another profound truth.

01:53:21 josh hogins: It seems like these comments also imply that consciousness of some form is required for the selection process of joining potentia with the actual

01:53:22 George Lucas (It): Canalization, Bergson called it: forcing thought into limited and bounded/restrictive habits of thought.

01:54:02 George Lucas (It): Sorry: forcing intelligibility into....

01:54:09 Jude Jones: YES George! I think of his idea of “canalization” as a caution at least weekly. It has stuck with me (perhaps I’ve been canalized to the idea lol)

01:54:34 George Lucas (It): 😆🤓

01:55:13 Jude Jones: And it links with what Thandeka was doing in connecting this to the neurobiology (broadly conceived) of affect (which I take to haunt all our thinking)

01:55:38 Monica DeRaspe-Bolles: Can I ask my question here?

Can Tim speak to how the logoi framework works with Prigogine’s disapative structure and the framework of a time-developing world?

For Prigogine, “measurability” is a strength or intensity of creative movement. The system and its movement, and all “parts” of movement, break with the symmetry of time to different degrees. And everything that exists is both part and whole of larger and larger nested processes, and ultimately, the universe. Every little arrow of irreversible time is “correlated,” according to Prigogine and Stengers, with every other little arrow, and all arrows intertwined with the greatest arrow of all, namely, the universe. The deepest arrow of time is the expansion of the universe. but time finds its roots in irreversibility at the quantum level. They understand the “collapse of the wave function” as a symmetry-breaking irreversible process comparable in all ways to evolution on the micro and macro scale, except in its measurability and its depth

01:55:48 Monica DeRaspe-Bolles: of correlated involvement. From the macroscopic to the microscopic, life and non-life, quantum to cosmic – to exist is to be equally based in the creative dynamics of the universe.

01:56:31 Matt Segall: That’s helpful, George. Though of course Whitehead adds that canalization is also essential to maintaining the social order that grants living organisms their survival power (PR 107). So canalization ain’t all bad!

01:57:21 Jude Jones: Ontologically canalization isn’t bad, but in thought it has its downside (as well as adaptive significance)

01:57:41 Monica DeRaspe-Bolles: And for Prigogine, too, everything that exists is both part and whole of larger and larger nested processes, and ultimately, the universe.

01:59:36 Matt Segall: Love that question, Monica. You’re next after Anderson

02:00:27 Jude Jones: These two hours are going way too fast

02:00:54 Monica DeRaspe-Bolles: Can you read my question, Matt? I cannot come on screen.

02:01:02 Matt Segall: sure

02:01:08 Monica DeRaspe-Bolles: :)

02:02:23 George Lucas (It): Indeed! Tim's project has been both stimulating, and in a very sense, courageous. I hate to leave, but am going to have to depart. Thanks, everyone! "Live long and prosper," and "may the

02:02:35 Jude Jones: Oh good just ordered it!

02:02:48 George Lucas (It): Force be with you!"☺️

02:04:04 jonmeyer: The “order of ultimacies” (p323) seems reminiscent to me “eternal objects”, I’d like to hear more about how Tim differentiates these.

02:05:32 Matt Segall: James on nitrous: “What's mistake but a kind of take?
What's nausea but a kind of -ausea?
Sober, drunk, -unk , astonishment. . . .
Agreement--disagreement!!
Emotion--motion!!! . . .
Reconciliation of opposites; sober, drunk, all the same!
Good and evil reconciled in a laugh!
It escapes, it escapes!
But--
What escapes, WHAT escapes?”

02:07:46 María Guadalupe Llanes: Thanks for this session. I have to leave. It was a great experience for me. I plan to do some seminar in Spanish about this book. I'll keep in contact with Cobb's Center.

02:15:17 Monica DeRaspe-Bolles: Thank you!!! You are all so wonderful.



Monday, November 8, 2021

Untying the Gordian Knot: Process, Reality, and Context - Session 2


The Alexandrian Solution


Untying the Gordian Knot:
Process, Reality, and Context

What an honor it is to hear from the second generation of process theologians and philosophers now in their late 80s and 90s still able to share their journey with us of the third and fourth generations. The Cobb Institute, as well as many other process organizations and websites like Relevancy22, have been dissecting and weaving together their dialogues, discussions, books, journals, and podcasts over the years so that they are not lost to history, and quite open for exploration and discovery by future generations of process Whiteheadians.

Do take advantage of these living souls in their late years. It is with great honor that these several process theologians continue to share their personal journeys into the realms of the biological, quantum and psychological/sociological sciences.

Lastly, thank you to all those in the process community who have been willing to make time and effort to share their separate process insights from their respective disciplines! Each thought, each soul, helps create depth to a very complex philosophy of cosmology.

As introduction to these series, earlier this past summer the Cobb Institute began an 8-part series discussing and distinguishing substantive philosophies and sciences from those of the process variety. Hosted by Matt Segall, John Cobb, and Tim Eastman each explore Eastman's book written in December 2020 on untying the Gordian Knot of physics. Enjoy.

R.E. Slater
October 31, 2021



Untying the Gordian Knot: Process, Reality, and Context



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Untying the Gordian Knot
Process, Reality, and Context

by Timothy Eastman
In Untying the Gordian Knot: Process, Reality, and Context, Timothy E. Eastman proposes a new creative synthesis, the Logoi framework - which is radically inclusive and incorporates both actuality and potentiality - (1) to show how the fundamental notions of process, logic, and relations, woven with triads of input-output-context and quantum logical distinctions, can resolve a baker’s dozen of age-old philosophic problems.
Further, (2) Eastman leverages a century of advances in quantum physics and the Relational Realism interpretation pioneered by Michael Epperson and Elias Zafiris and augmented by the independent research of Ruth Kastner and Hans Primas to resolve long-standing issues in understanding quantum physics. 
Adding to this, (3) Eastman makes use of advances in information and complex systems, semiotics, and process philosophy to show how multiple levels of context, combined with relations—including potential relations—both local and local-global, can provide a grounding for causation, emergence, and physical law. 
Finally, (4) the Logoi framework goes beyond standard ways of knowing—that of context independence (science) and context focus (arts, humanities)—to demonstrate the inevitable role of ultimate context (meaning, spiritual dimension) as part of a transformative ecological vision, which is urgently needed in these times of human and environmental crises.


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The Gordian Knot is an intractable problem (untying an impossibly tangled knot) solved easily by finding an approach to the problem that renders the perceived constraints of the problem moot ("cutting the Gordian knot"). - Wikipedia



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Tim Eastman Unties the Gordian Knot - Session 2
July 23, 2021



THE COBB INSTITUTE
In this session Tim Eastman provides an summary of the second chapter, and Randall Auxier, Michael Epperson, and Elias Zafiris offer a response.
00:00:07 - 00:02:53 - Welcome from Matt Segall
00:02:54 - 00:17:20 - Presentation by Tim Eastman
00:18:18 - 00:33:07 - Response by Randall Auxier
00:33:38 - 00:46:51 - Response by Michael Epperson
00:47:27 - 01:01:11 - Response by Elias Zafiris
01:01:13 - 01:38:11 - Conversation between Tim and respondents
01:38:12 - Open Conversation Meeting
Chat Text: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K-mT...
Chapter Summary, by Tim Eastman
This series of conversations is provided by the Cobb Institute. Please consider supporting this program and others like it by giving. https://cobb.institute/donate/

 

CHAT TEXT

00:25:08 Weston McMillan: Good morning all - I’ll be audio only for about 30 min - great to be here ! Happy Saturday!

00:33:10 Gary Herstein: I hadn't heard about George -- that's very sad news indeed.

00:47:29 Gary Herstein: And they still gave us 30,000 more words than they were normally prepared to accept.

00:48:19 Anderson Weekes: pls send us the paper!

00:48:50 Kevin Clark: YES, plz send the paper asap!

00:48:55 Gary Nelson: Yes, please send the paper

00:48:56 Matt Segall: I’ll be sure we distribute Prof. Auxier’s paper to the group.

00:53:00 Benjamin Snyder: Aren't actual entities in their objective immortality also potential? Potential = potential datum for prehension, so not just eternal objects, though they are the "pure" potentials (but still defined as an existence in terms of potential relevance for functioning in a concrescence).


00:56:44 Benjamin Snyder: Whitehead's theory of propositions as given in P&R entails that reference to actuality (indicative feeling of the logical subject) is still involved in any logic/algebra, right? Eternal objects as pure potentials on their own have no truth-value.

01:00:28 Randall Auxier: Thanks Benjamin. From the standpoint of a proposition there must be reference to something actual. Possibilities and their order do not depend upon any propositional lure.

01:02:11 Guadalupe: Anselm ontological argument for God existence

01:08:42 Mikhail Epstein: Thank you for the most interesting discussion. Unfortunately, I have to leave (a speaking  engagement).

01:09:46 Anderson Weekes: Der Einzig Moegliche Beweissgrund des Daseins Gottes/Only Possible Proof of the Existence of God

01:10:49 Matt Segall: Thanks, Anderson.

01:24:15 Richard Livingston / Cobb Institute: From Thandeka: Schleiermacher is called the Kant of religion because he delineated pure potentiality as feeling, gefuehl. Tim affirms this state as feeling but misnamed it ultimacy. Schleiermacher defined pure potentiality as the experience of the infinite universe in a finite moment of one’s life.

01:25:52 Benjamin Snyder: My current understanding of some terms being discussed in relation to Whitehead: pure potential = an eternal object as datum for feeling; real potential = an actuality as datum for feeling (thus with its contingent, particular conditions); probability = real potentiality with a social order that therefore gives some regularity to the behavior of actual entities in the society (thus, what allows for inductive judgments).

01:26:20 Randall Auxier: I agree with Jon Meyer.

01:26:27 Anderson Weekes: question for Tim: I've gotten myself into a knot!
1. Possible worlds are rejected (e.g., p. 51) bc they are only theoretical constructs—by definition there can be no actual evidence for actual beings in another possible world than our own (to which we have zero epistemic access).
2. Hidden variables are rejected (e.g., p. 33) bc they are only theoretical constructs—there can be no actual evidence for variable that are by definition hidden.
The obvious question is why the actualists can’t turn the tables and say “potentiae” are only theoretical constructs—that there can’t be actual evidence for something that is, by definition, not actual.
However, if I understand correctly, the main claim of this chapter is that this response is not possible—that quantum phenomena offer actual evidence for potentiae. This come-back won’t be effective if the actualists can plausibly say the same evidence is equally well explained by their hidden variables or other possible worlds.
01:26:36 Anderson Weekes: That would mean potentiae, hidden variables, other worlds are all equally theoretical. For the argument of this chapter to work, these options can’t be equally theoretical. So the argument for potentiae in this chapter seems to rest on a claim that the actual evidence of quantum phenomena breaks in favor of potentiae.
Here’s my problem: doesn’t the claim that everything actual will be Boolean and “look” classical conflict with the claim that something actual gives us evidence that breaks in favor of the potentiae theory?
Is there a paradox here? If not, perhaps I could get a “for dummies” explanation of the telltale evidence—how it’s actual, but points to potentiae, and not to hidden variables or other worlds?

01:27:15 jonmeyer: The shift to category theory doesn’t address the heart of problem, it merely kicks the can down the road. The heart of the difficulty is that what when dealing with addressing non-deterministic or triadic notions of potentiality, these are not reducible to formal systems. Even category theory requires ultimately on making a decisive split between two kinds of entity: either something is a morphism or it is an object. It is precisely this kind of decisive splitting that Whitehead resists in PR.

01:28:26 Michael Heather: Potentiality in category theory is just the free functor valued category.
Types of potentially are in the pullback of existence along any arbitrary universe .

01:30:48 Farzad Mahootian: @Elias— So: instead of elements that are members of sets, we have clusters to topologies/neighborhoods via shared constraints and conditionality. The shared space of aims at minimization of Boolean phrases and maximization of (and here’s my question) what?  And: geometric faces that allow for congruence and interference.

01:32:03 jonmeyer: “Im not a mathematician I’m a logician” - I like this.

01:32:42 Guadalupe: logos spermaticos are actual and potencial from diferent points of view. they are potential because of the form that they will be. But they are actual with respect to the prime matter

01:34:58 Gary Herstein: The identification of (or reduction to) logic to a kind of formal mathematics is a fairly recent development in philosophy, that can be traced pretty much to the publication of the Principia (R&W, not Newton's). Old school folks with a background in American philosophy will tend not to make that reduction/identification.

01:44:56 Randall Auxier: possibility is not pure potentiality, nor is it “nothing” in my view

01:48:15 Benjamin Snyder: Didn't you say Whitehead's theory of eternal objects was concerned with possibility, Randall? Those are pure potentials in Whitehead's terms. Maybe there's a distinction I'm missing there.

01:48:48 Randall Auxier: Pure potentials in one perspective on possibilities, it is actuals.

01:49:13 Randall Auxier: Possibilities are uncreated, however, and hence independent of all actuality, including divine actuality.

01:49:22 Randall Auxier: Whitehead is clear on this point.

01:50:36 Clinton Combs: Missing from today’s discussion is an emphasis on the subject / object distinction. Eternal Objects are objects for some subject. It is a mistake to talk about the independent existence of an object because it has to be an object of some subject. (This is being overlooked.) The subject is primary. It is in the subject that objectification happens.

01:51:16 Randall Auxier: Whitehead makes it clear that possibilities have subjective order. I cite this in my paper Matt will send out.

01:56:03 Benjamin Snyder: I'm not sure what subjective order means there. In what sense do eternal objects have anything subjective apart from actual entities or where does Whitehead talk about that?

01:59:45 t-mahootian: Tim, can you relate your discussion in Chapter 2 about symmetry and asymmetry to C.G. Jung & Pauli’s discussion about this notion? Thanks!

01:59:52 Benjamin Snyder: Isn't Whitehead's metaphysical scheme by definition the necessary structure that is a must outside our own cosmic epoch?

02:00:49 Gary Herstein: I need to step out for 5 -- 10 min (take care of Toni's dogs).

02:01:07 Matt Segall: My question, framed in Whitehead’s terms, would be whether unexemplified possibilities are felt in the primordial nature? If so, they are not entirely outside the domain of the actual. If not, who is feeling them?

02:03:09 Randall Auxier: My answer would be that some of them are.

02:03:27 Matt Segall: I agree there is a metaphysical order of pre-spatial/temporal extension (determinate or indeterminate) that is beyond any particular cosmic epoch, but Whitehead himself seemed reluctant to claim he had arrived at this order.

02:05:53 Jeroen (Jerome) van Dijk: When trying to model the process of nature, we typically seem to smuggle in a pre-formulated "alphabet of expression" (or what Elias Zafiris called elements). In so doing we are tacitly dissecting the process of nature into "a priori-like constituent elements". It seems to me that the multiplicity of frames in category theory  still suffers from this problem, unfortunately. I think that a bootstrap methodology (especially the one in Reg Cahill's process physics) is to be preferred, because it seems to be capable of giving rise to a fully unified "actuality-potentiality-prehension network" -- all as one integrated process ... Thereby lifting into actuality the fore- and background patterns of nature as one relational network of connectivity … (hope this makes sense within the present discussion).

02:08:02 Gary Nelson: What is the relationship between “other cosmic epochs” and other universes in multiverse concepts

02:09:41 Anderson Weekes: Could Michael explain a simple example of an asymmetrical relation that is internal for both relata?

02:11:09 Randall Auxier: @Gary Nelson the Everett hypothesis is an actuals hypothesis, governed by mathematical and logical necessity. This has no constructive relation to ANW’s theory of cosmic epochs. Gary and I cover this in chs. 7-9 of The Quantum of Explanation.

02:13:01 Randall Auxier: @Jerome —this is the smuggled presupposition I try to avoid in my rendering of extensive connection in the Logic book, chi. 19-23.

02:13:38 Randall Auxier: I am with Michael on ontologizing concepts.

02:18:16 Benjamin Snyder: Whitehead says his metaphysical scheme applies to all cosmic epochs: "There can be no cosmic epoch for which the singular propositions derived from a metaphysical proposition differ in truth-value from those of
any other cosmic epoch" (PR 197).

02:19:08 Randall Auxier: @Benjamin That is essentially part of what I was saying

02:19:38 Randall Auxier: But only part. It means that anything that holds in one cosmic epoch holds for all of them

02:20:15 Matt Segall: We will make sure the chat is saved and distributed following this session.

02:20:33 Randall Auxier: The one this he thinks will hold is that there would be a quantum, a principle of least change that distinguishes what is actual for that cosmic epoch from what isn't

02:21:06 Randall Auxier: But change in other cosmic epochs may not presuppose time as it does in our cosmic epoch

02:21:28 Randall Auxier: @Jerome yes

02:21:58 Jeroen (Jerome) van Dijk: Thanks, Randall!

02:23:43 Randall Auxier: I agree with Elias, but we disagree when he uses “independence” to mean total independence from all actuality.