I have been enjoying Miley Cyrus a lot lately. I love her voice, how she thinks and envision's life, her need to speak out against civil and human injustice, and for the beauty she sees all around her. Miley is sounding better to me the older she gets and the more she discovers who she is and what she wants to speak to. And though she's very good at capturing cover songs like the one here, I am more interested in her edginess and how she sees humanity in all its vices and colours.
With the onset of a new year coming in three days I'm asking that we commit ourselves to healing. To the healing of our hearts, our friendships, our community, our country, and our world.
To redirecting all our nervous, sometimes exasperating, sometimes agitating, energy, into goodness and wellbeing for all things human and earthly. Mere wishing for, or singing of, "Peace on Earth, goodwill towards men" are but empty words if we don't actually practice these qualities at all times through all our seasons of life.
Over the last several years we've seen the ugliness of hatred and division and what it does to leaderless people who follow those dark souls who are destroyers of present goodness. They have vexed our hearts and our relationships with one another. They are a scourge to be remonstrated against and removed.
Let us today, this coming year, take up the challenge of our destroyers to rebuild a truer equality and justice for all around us. For each other as well as for nature. So often rebuilding cannot come without deconstructing our past and present. Black Lives Matter has challenged us to do just that. And we will. These are the fundamental challenges we must step up to. Let me share an all too frequent example of expectations versus reality.
The Challenges of Loss
Several years ago I naively bought a house thinking it needed remodeling. I had met the builder and the owner, sent an inspection company out to confirm the site, and read what was written in the contracts. But I couldn't have been more wrong. The house was fundamentally built wrong, found akilter with itself upon it's several elevations, and with a craftsmanship absently confounding. It all was hidden from view innocently enough but the structure was fundamently flawed behind its rustic beauty. The words on the contract which I needed for clarification weren't written down but kept off and hidden (as keeping to the letter of the law of the county but not its spirit of full disclosure). And the inspecting agency counted the nails on the roof, the missing electrical safety features but missed the foundations which were rotting and sagging. These were drywalled over from the inside and packed with gravel around the perimeter making it seem aesthetic when it was actually functional fifteen feet all the way down. A simple tapping of an iron rod through the gravel would've confirmed further discovery. Or a screwdriver through the furnace walls would've told of a wooden foundation. But none of this was disclosed or confirmed. The result? It was all on me. Everything. It was not a good place to be.
An older man, my neighbor, whom I came to know, spoke wisdom confirming what my own heart was saying, against all the others who spoke contrary. I took it as a word from God and proceeded to destroy-and-rebuild and never looked back. It would be another loss in life. Unexpected. Injurious. But something to be overcome. I told my neighbor the house needed a deep renovation - including a completely new, and much stronger foundation, and not the rotting foundation it was lying upon which I had perchance discovered midway through remodeling the lower floor as a front end loader removed the dirt from the buried walls so we could add an extra bedroom and bath to the end of the house. I remember that weekend as being grievous. We were facing a total loss.
Bottom line... I would have to deconstruct the house before reconstructing it properly. It would cost a good deal of money, personal time I didn't have, and the labor of many talented trade workers to overcome the obstacles and oppositions I was facing. And I would have to live with my decisions good or bad. However, the Lord has gifted me with the ability to create investments out of loss. It has been true with lay ministries as it has been true in my life. My gifts it seems is to take challenges and create beauty. Which also means I've had a lot of experience with losses. Or with shoddy envisioning of what beauty means. Or with people or institutions content with the trauma they are living out.
My website, Relevancy22, is a postmodern Christian testament to recreating, or reimagining, a Christianity I was deeply blessed and trained in to maintain its traditional structures. It's classic forms. It's unmitigating foundations. But those structures and foundations needed demolishing - keeping the good as I could while trashing all that withheld seeing God's love truly through the biblical passages and churchly histories and otherwise actions of its people. I had to go through dark days to get there. But the Lord sent me His Holy Spirit to guide through a challenging wilderness to find a way to His light and beauty. It was done by learning to unlearn so that I might re-learn.
So too it is with our lives. We need the Lord's guidance and the discerning grit of hard decisions to be made when we do not know which way to go amid the cacophony of voices telling us what we should do. And for that God had brought to me the help of gifted craftsmen and trades people, a blessed general contractor of generosity and talent, and a small window of purchasing opportunity to buy discounted materials during America's worst times of hurricanes and wildfires. As I labored with the labourers I blessed God many times over during those long 14 months. From beginning to end it was fraught with difficulty personally, financially, health-wise, and emotionally. It was a hard time.
As another example of rebuilding out of neglect let's look at societal structures in their many ways of casual callousness to the suffering and neglect of people living with rot and difficulty on a daily basis. The dispensing of Covid-19 vaccines readily shows to us the struggles we are challenged with in a society when naively promoting our ideals over aiding those truly in need of the miracle vaccine. Rather than serving the homeless, ghettos, the essential, and enfeebled, our dispensatory systems have been prejudiced towards those who have the resources, class, wealth, standing, or perception to receive them. Yet, any nurse, social worker, school administrator, city mayor, priest, pastor, or even private industry boss will learn on their first day whether to choose for equality and fairness or to overlook it in their occupations. Let us chose the path less travelled. The one promising fuller resolve than capitulate to the norm such as profit over care, income over restitution, greed over generosity.
To Serve rather than be Served
Let us at all times be mindful in all things to serve those around us rather than be served ourselves. This is the mindset of Jesus. The challenges in Jesus' day were no different from ours today. So much of our best intentions get usurped by the politician, the greedy, the proud, the corrupt of heart. Their kind of world is dark and odious. But let us be of the light and not of their mindset of self-serving oblivion.
Even those words, or worlds, which might sound "Christian" or "righteous" to our ears can be anything be loving or divine. More like broadbills for waylaid sheep lost and looking for a shepherd but finding crooks and thieves of their souls. And yet, the Lord God has shown His real Self through His Incarnation in the Trinitarian personage of Jesus who opposed the wicked, granted release from bondage to the suffering, and ministered God's love until His death and resurrection into glory while renewing His Covenant of Love double-stamped by His Spirit that He abides with us moment-by-moment in this life and the next.
Those leaderless churches of another gospel are not God's churches of love and welcoming embrace. They are the churches of men who worship the idols of their cultural inheritance and the lies of their future. They protect their past to live as dead people to God in their present. They fear the challenge of change and run from its necessity to moderate, or minister, to the unfortunates in life. Such words, creeds, structures, societies of darkness we would remove, demolish, overcome and replace with love, truth, goodness, and light by leaning into God's continually evolving process of death for renewal, wreckage for reclamation, atonement for redemption, denial of self for resurrection, fear for transformation, and beauty for revival by His Spirit at all times.
Jesus is the benchmark for all humanity. He is the goal and perfector of one's faith. Not the church, not the unenlightened mobs which come and go to the distress of the world of God and man. But Jesus. He is the One we look to for example, truth, and love. Upon Jesus' uplifted Cross we can see the God of Love in full display.
Now this Christmas has come and gone. It's short season is over. Yet Christ has come to us in wintry celebration of His Incarnational Advental Coming. Let us then ask the Lord that Christ's "panpsychic being and becomingness" enters all the way into the deepest parts of our hearts, minds, and souls, as we approach new challenges in this coming new year. Let it be a year of healing. Of atonement. Of redemption. Perhaps, even, a year of hope becoming realized in the work of our hands and feet and lips. Amen and Amen.
And as Ms. Cyrus has well said, "The War is Over." But stop and think... it really is - if... we really want it to be. Thank you Miley.
I have started to listen to Matt Sagall's apprise of Whitehead's Process Philosophy from a number of different settings such as Panpsychism and Jungian archetypes (this latter topic will be spoken here by his student Becca Tarnas further below. I've provided a transcript as well). Both topics I've shared with a certain amount of validity, or assurance, for the Open and Relational Process Theology (aka Alfred North Whitehead) I've been developing over the last several years.
The area of Process Panpsychism has solved a LOT of (classical) theological conundrums which couldn't be solved without it's application. Regarding Carl Jung's Psychic and Panpsychic Archetypes I suspect these too will work out in the same way as I hope when conjoined with Whiteheadian Process Thought. Thus my interest in today's discussion despite it's occasional absorbtion with astrology.
To re-interate, when reading through Carl Jung's psychoanalytical archetypes I've become interested in its linkage to Whitehead's Process Philosophy. Becca Tarnas's video found further below works along these lines and has thus piqued my interest.
But I really have no interest in astrology (my apologies to those who do). It may work for some individuals but for the kind of Process Theology I've been developing there is no place for astrology or any such element working with predictive forces.
As an Open theist I have no interest in the pseudo-science of astrology except as an interested polymath on all subjects. Otherwise, the future is not given to us to know nor predict. Not even God Himself knows the future, let alone controls the future. This would be completely contrary to open theism and especially to Process Philosophical Thought.
Not to confuse the subject but I should mention two subjects along this line:
1 - Astral panpsychic arts can, and do, integrate with that part of process psychoanalytical psychology / group sociology which may run parallel with each other re our humanity's being, very creation itself, and how we-and-creation operate as a process-based living organism - or collective - of organic feeling. Even creation's future direction, or teleology, will show fundamental connectivity with one another. But for the process theology I am envisioning, I do not intend to go in the direction of the many kinds of astrology I have listed below in a separate article. They might conjoin with my direction, which is ok, but I cannot see going their direction for philosophical theological purposes.
2 - Beyond process there is also no kind of "controlling" aspect to God's process of creation. It is an independent process set onto its own path. One set onto its own accord with its own movement forward. That movement will always be unique, novel, unpredictable, full of chaos and randomness. If we wish to synch ourselves up with it and nudge it forward re goodness, wellbeing, equality, and so forth, we can, and it will respond, to those directional "pushes" or "assurances". (Ex. Your typical backyard gardens: till the ground, plant the seed, and it will bloom. It's a kind of "nudged process" becoming a "material organic form of beingness.")
This is how Creational Process works. It's it's nature. It derives from, or is birthed by, or is regenerated and sustained by, God nature of Love. God, being the first process of all subtending processes which have proceeded from Him but of its own indeterminate and freewill agency. Begun by God but separated from God giving it it's own autonomy and "being-ness". God, Himself, His Self-Identity, His nature is the base and substance of all proceeding processes. These subtended process have exuded from God, which captures the classic idea of God "willing things forward, or controlling things." But for Open and Relational Process Theologian these words of exactitude and controlling no longer work as they once did. Blame it on science or on postmodernism.
Whatever it is, the process future is unknowable and yet can be interacted with as we can by capturing the essence of its process nature of movement and grooming it towards greater fulfillment. Which is probably why Eastern philosophies feel so familiar to me in how I am seeing God in all His divine becoming in solidarity with creation as He eternally "urges" creation forwards towards its base nature of being and becoming.
Now I realize more can be said of these two sublime areas. And perhaps with time and insight I might be able to say more on these things more clearly. But for now I don't mind a kind of murkiness (or mysticism) when contemplating God and all things God. The mirror of self - even self knowledge and contemplation - will always be a murky looking glass to stare into. It's how life's processes are. And that's ok with me.
Blessings,
R.E. Slater
December 21, 2020
Beings, as Creation, are involved and evolving with one another even
as the Lord God Himself is evolving with all things creative. - re slater
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Definition of Astrology - the divination of the supposed influences of the stars and planets on human affairs and terrestrial events by their positions and aspects
Astrology is a pseudoscience that claims to divine information about human affairs and terrestrial events by studying the movements and relative positions of celestial objects. Astrology has been dated to at least the 2nd millennium BCE, and has its roots in calendrical systems used to predict seasonal shifts and to interpret celestial cycles as signs of divine communications.
Many cultures have attached importance to astronomical events, and some—such as the Hindus, Chinese, and the Maya—developed elaborate systems for predicting terrestrial events from celestial observations. Western astrology, one of the oldest astrological systems still in use, can trace its roots to 19th–17th century BCE Mesopotamia, from where it spread to Ancient Greece, Rome, the Arab world and eventually Central and Western Europe. Contemporary Western astrology is often associated with systems of horoscopes that purport to explain aspects of a person's personality and predict significant events in their lives based on the positions of celestial objects; the majority of professional astrologers rely on such systems.
Throughout most of its history, astrology was considered a scholarly tradition and was common in academic circles, often in close relation with astronomy, alchemy, meteorology, and medicine. It was present in political circles and is mentioned in various works of literature, from Dante Alighieri and Geoffrey Chaucer to William Shakespeare, Lope de Vega, and Calderón de la Barca. Following the end of the 19th century and the wide-scale adoption of the scientific method, researchers have successfully challenged astrology on both theoretical and experimental grounds, and have shown it to have no scientific validity or explanatory power. Astrology thus lost its academic and theoretical standing, and common belief in it has largely declined.
Astrology is basically the method of predicting everyday events by basing on the positions and certain behaviors of the celestial bodies, such as planets and stars. These behaviors of the celestial bodies are also known as constellations.
Now a day we work with many such types of astrology. They are - Western, Sidereal, Natal, Electional, Horary, Judicial, Medical, Chinese, Indian, Arab and Persian, Celtic, Egyptian.
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Let us go a bit in detail about these types of astrology.
Western Astrology - This system is mainly used in Western countries. It is the type of augury that uses all of the twelve zodiac signs. These zodiac signs are the signs that match the position of the sun in the zodiac. These are observed at different times of the year. Birth charts, various types of horoscopes are made from this kind of astrology.
Sidereal Astrology - This is the term used to define the year astrology. This system also uses all of the twelve zodiac signs but uses the vernal equinox position.
Natal Astrology - This system of astrology uses the endemic charts. These are the astrological maps that lead to the position of the stars at a person’s birth. These are used to predict the traits and paths of a person’s life.
Electional Astrology - This type of astrology is a branch that takes the help of the positions of the stars in the sky to predict the advantageous events that are about to take place. It is mostly used to make future predictions and answer future related questions.
Horary Astrology - Horary Astrology represents the type of astrology which uses the complexity in the positions of the stars to provide suggestions to questions that were asked during the reading were taking place.
Judicial Astrology - This is the type of astrology that uses the positions of planets, not stars, to predict the outcomes or events of the future.
Medical Astrology - Medical Astrology is a system that is based on finding out relations with the medical conditions or certain parts of the body with the twelve zodiac signs. This is usually used during the weaknesses or diseases in the body.
Chinese Astrology - This type of astrology came from the Han Dynasty. It is formed on the knowledge from the Han Dynasty and relates strongly to the three fundamental harmonies, which are: Water, Earth, and Heaven. Consisting of 12 earthly branches and 10 celestial stems, the Chinese Astrology also includes a lunisolar calendar.
Indian Astrology - Indian Astrology is formed from the Hindu concepts and cultures. It is basically a Hindu system of astrology or, as sometimes known as the Vedic Astrology. Siddhanta, Sahita and Hora are the 3 different branches within the Indian Astrology.
Arab and Persian Astrology - It takes us back to the medieval Arabs and its concepts. It is basically a mixture of Muslim beliefs and related scientific observations.
Celtic Astrology - The Celtic Astrology, or also known as the astrology of the druids, takes the help of trees. It says that each and every personality has its own relationship with the properties of a tree and can also be defined through them.
Egyptian Astrology - The early Egyptians were interested more in fixed stars. So, the Egyptian Astrology mainly uses the position of the Sun, rather than those of the planets and other stars. The twelve zodiac signs all cover two different time zones.
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Whitehead and Archetypal Cosmology
by Becca Tarnas, Jan 8, 2016
Jung's Archetypal View + Whitehead
This presentation briefly explores the ways in which Alfred North Whitehead's process philosophy can provide one possible metaphysical basis for the practice and perspective of archetypal cosmology.
Becca Tarnas is a doctoral student in the Ecology, Spirituality, and Religion program at the California Institute of Integral Studies. She also received her MA from CIIS in the Philosophy, Cosmology, and Consciousness program, and her BA from Mount Holyoke College in Environmental Studies and Theater Arts. She is currently writing her doctoral dissertation on the synchronicity between the Red Books of C.G. Jung and J.R.R. Tolkien. She writes regularly on archetypal cosmology and is an editor of Archai: The Journal of Archetypal Cosmology. Becca’s website is BeccaTarnas.com where she posts her current writings, paintings, and lectures.
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Transcript: Whitehead and Archetypal Cosmology
presented by post-doctoral student Becca Tarnas
(a student of Matthew Segall)
Jan 8, 2016
Discussion of Archtypes: Hillman, Jung, & Whitehead
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I'm gonna be talking today on a topic I
presented this as a paper at the summer, and I'm going to just kind of give you
a brief taste a sample of what that kind of larger presentation was there. And
a lot of what I'm going to be talking about the presentation just has the
simple title right now of Whitehead and archetypal cosmology. And a lot of what
I'm speaking about has really arisen in conversation with Matt, who's the great
white head in scholar in my life. And these ideas have really arisen between us
so he's very much co author of this presentation. So what I'd like to pause it
and open up for further conversation. Is that whiteheads process philosophy can
perhaps provide us with a metaphysical basis for archetypal cosmology for
archetypal astrology. And for these ideas, I'm going to be drawing just so you
have kind of the background of the thinkers I'm bringing into this young on
James Hellman Katharine Keller, David Ray Griffin and Owen Barfield, among
others, but those are kind of the primary players, and I'm just going to try
and touch on the concepts. And I think at times you may be in a wash of white
heady and language, and just allow what images arise, to come with with those
terms, and with the hope of this sparking further conversation that I can learn
from and we can carry on this conversation. So I feel really blessed to be in a
community and family that explores the question of the astrological cosmos, and
we are able to look at the multi Vaillant ways in which astrology works. And so
today I want to explore another question, which is why astrology works. If we
can try and do that. And before I go further, I just want to touch on the
nature of archetypes and I'm going forward with the premise that you will have
some sense at some level of what an archetype is, but to kind of set the tone I
want to draw on the great articulator of archetypes Carl Jung. Just this quote
where he says, a kind of fluid interpenetration belongs to the very nature of
all archetypes. They can only be roughly circumscribed at best, every attempt
to focus them more sharply is immediately punished by the intangible core of
meaning losing its luminosity. No archetype can be reduced to a simple formula.
It is a vessel which we can never empty and never fill. It has a potential
existence only. And when it takes shape and matter it is no longer what it was.
And I give you this quote to present how archetypes are not fully definable, or
describable, without misrepresenting them without doling their divine
luminosity. And so as I try and discuss a metaphysical basis for an archetypal
cosmology. I am recognizing the impossibility of actually capturing the
archetypal presence in the single metaphysical system. That can't be fully
explained, so this is just touching on it in a conference in the early 80s put
on by David Ray Griffin and Katherine Keller. There was this conference called
archetypal process bringing together whiteheads process, philosophy and young
and Hellman's archetypal psychology and Griffin drew a parallel between Jung's
concept of archetypes and whiteheads eternal objects. So for Whitehead an
eternal object is an A quote, any entity, whose conceptual recognition does not
involve a necessary reference to any definite actual entities of the temporal
world. So, an eternal object, it's potentially relevant to some actual
occasion, it's a possibility. That's not yet defined as an actuality, so
eternal objects. They're like Plato's forms in that they're real, apart from
their particular expression, but they're unlike Plato's forms in that, as
Whitehead says they're deficient in actuality, and so because of this
deficiency of the eternal objects. They long to enter into actuality, to Ingress
is the term that Whitehead uses long to aggress into actual occasions, of
experience.
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5:19
So what are eternal objects. They're the ways
we describe the world. They're the adjectives. The colors the shapes, the
feelings, the smells, tastes, the qualities. Now, archetypes, we come to
actually understand through such qualities. But archetypes seem to be larger
than those simple adjectives archetypes are unifying fields, they're
gravitational attractors that draw together, a complex array of eternal objects
into a singular. And yet, always fluid form. So I want to make clear here that
from how I'm approaching this archetypes and eternal objects are not to be
equated and grant Maxwell has written about this in a previous issue of the
archive journal as well. So planetary archetypes. They include both the
potential reality of whiteheads eternal objects. And the incarnate experience
of actual occasions. So how we're living them in daily life. So, archetypes are
not just eternal objects or potentials because they have agency. They have
autonomy archetypes are complex persons or personalities, to use James Homans
language. Yet, they have a metaphorical unity to their complexity. So Hellman
says, always of speaking of archetypes are translations from one metaphor to
another. In whiteheads system, the source of all things is creativity, capital
see creativity is primary creativity is the realm of pure potential, and thus
it is chaos. I'm not going to go into the details of this but Whitehead has in
his philosophical system reasoned his way back to the existence of God, but God
and Whitehead system is not primary creativity is. So God is actually a
creature of creativity, which solves a lot of problems that God has had to
carry. So God orders this chaos of pure potentiality chaos of creativity into a
hierarchy of eternal objects, I want to be careful with that term hierarchy
that there's a relational order, but not a ranking of value. So God orders the
chaos of pure potentiality into the hierarchy of eternal objects. And I posit
orders. The archetypes. So God takes the chaos and turns it into cosmos. And
God is born of that chaos. So God is the first compresses the first and
everlasting Crescent coming into being the first achievement of chaos, becoming
cosmos. There's an image that I like to draw on to try and express this idea of
chaos becoming cosmos, and I'm grateful for Travis's presentation this morning
speaking about light feels very related to this, so the image, I want to draw
is one of the prism. And if you think of creativity that realm of pure
potential and chaos. As the white light, and then you can think of God as the
prism, and the white light passes through God God orders that creativity into
the refracted colors. The archetypes, but within the band of light that is each
of those colors, is there's an infinity of shades that are at play within each
one. And so you can think of that like the archetype of Venus, every shade of,
let's say, green every shade are all the possibilities of what Venus could
Ingress as or all the shades of blue are all the possibilities of how Neptune
could enter into incarnate reality. So the moment that a child takes their
first breath. That's their. That is the first concrete essence of that being
independent of the mother's body. Now, to use like whiteheads language.
Technically, a child is actually a society of actual occasions, each of which
are compressing, making the experience of the newborn in that moment. Now,
that, that first moment that inhalation that first breath, that's when the
birth chart is set, that's the time that we take that when we calculate the
birth chart. Why, why that moment. Well,
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10:20
when conquests happens all past actual
occasions, everything that's ever happened. That has to use whiteheads language
perished into objective and mortality, they all become one. And are presented
by this moment the child. So Whitehead says the many become one, and are
increased by one. And that happens every moment, every actual occasion is
compressing. So every archetypal expression that has ever existed is in that
moment gifted to the child. But Whitehead says that past actual occasions that
are most felt by the compressing actual occasion of that moment. So in this
case, again, the child, are those that are immediately prior. So, the positions
of the planets and the correlated archetypal energies enacted everywhere on
Earth. At that moment of that. Inhale of breath is independence. All of that is
inherited by the child. And as the child lives and grows into her subjectivity
can see as the crest of her compressing wave. She continues to inherit the
archetype we ordered actual occasions and this we see in transits. Yet, the
birth charts still effective still effective throughout the whole life, why is
that why isn't it in Whitehead scheme, it would be just that each next moment
is the most important, but there's something specific about that first breath.
How is that I want to return to the image of God for a moment. As an eternally
compressing actual occasion, you can think of God. If you think of a
compressing actual occasion like a wave that crashes, you can think of God as a
wave that never crashes that just keeps going, it's never perishing, and as
God's wave is in this everlasting conquest since. God is feeling the precession
of the cosmic community of finite actual occasions. So perhaps it's the same as
with the child in the moment is that first breath that actually the first
breath that concrete essence is an everlasting concrete essence that wave also
never crashes. And so each proceeding concrete lessons unfolding transits takes
place within the Gestalt set by that first concrete essence. And that's how
transits to the birth chart can be experienced by the individual. So I'm trying
to imagine it like the birth chart also is like a prism, and the refracting
archetypal potential becomes the archetypal particulars of this person gods
that whiteheads God has to nature's dipolar nature of God. And there's the
primordial pole and the consequent pole. Now, the primordial pole orders the
realm of eternal objects like we talked about before, so that they can Ingress
into the actual occasions, of the cosmic community, the consequent pole is
actually what's going on when they Ingress so the consequent full pole fuels
the experiences of this world, and adjust the ordering of the eternal objects,
according to that so it's this recursive loop that, in a way, God is
experiencing the ordering of the eternal archetypes through all of our
experiences, and then changes them changes that ordering so new experiences
arise. And just as God reorders the eternal objects.
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14:11
Perhaps that is also what's happening with
eternal objects within the archetypes. So as they progress into living
manifestation. We participate in their becoming. We co creatively engage with
them. So archetypes also have a consequent nature. They feel what we feel,
which forever reshapes the potential for their future and aggression. So
basically, the way we live and procreate with the archetypes forever reshapes
and continues to reshape, how they will manifest later in our lives. And then
in the lives of future generations. So it's almost like the cosmos is inviting
us through that. to. to participate or participation is actually enacting an evolution
in the archetypes themselves. And so by consciously engaging with them by co
creatively manifesting them. We're each able, and also have the responsibility
to reshape the potentialities of the future. So I'm going to leave it there for
now and see where we go from there with a conversation.
15:40
So you've processed it the first time at
Claremont
15:45
integrate an
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expert like pieces he or she is when you talk
about
15:54
mainstream was called like
15:56
white. He spoke about it. So how was it.
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16:00
Well, I'll just say the conference was huge.
There were 82 tracks. And we were in one of those tracks. And I was wonderfully
cushioned by a PCC filled audience. So, all of my fears going into it thinking
that I was going to have things thrown at me and I would be ridiculed didn't
happen. And I had a very supportive audience that I could engage with with a
lot of familiar faces and a few unfamiliar faces who I was able to dialogue
with there, and the longer portion of the talk was drawing, why I was even
bringing archetypal cosmology into the discussion. So I was speaking to
Whitehead Ian's. Or at least that's what I kind of had in mind, and justifying
to them why I was bringing in archetypal cosmology, and it was really Hellman
that kind of set the stage for that so there was this conference in 83 at the
same university, and he was the one who said that we need a metaphysics for
archetypal psychology. He had thrown out Young's metaphysics too as he said
save his psychology, but realize metaphysics is always operating whether you're
conscious of it or not. And so he wanted to draw on this term cosmology that he
could connect with Whitehead and cosmology being a worldview and cosmology
being of course related to the astronomical bodies and so Hellman provided kind
of my gateway into feeling like it was safe to speak at Claremont about the
subject walls. You should be up here helping me answer them.
18:02
Thanks Becker's.
18:05
Follow ons were
18:08
speculating about why it works. And my
question
18:13
for you personally. I mean,
18:16
you articulated this paper so it must be
important for you in some sense to understand the why ology but maybe you can
talk about the relationship between that question and the practices, ecology
which can
18:30
operate independently of
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18:32
having an explanation for how it could be
possible. Right, so there's the practice and then there's the theory. And, you
know, for me I'm interested in why because it's all
18:42
theory and I love theory. I love the theory
and practice even,
18:46
it's great but how do you
18:51
differentiate the two and why is it important
to do this work to try to understand why it works
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Speaker 1
19:02
almost want to answer that question backward,
because it's an engaging. Really, this was my way to try and understand
Whitehead. And so it was that with the practice of astrology, that I could try
to understand what Whitehead was saying, and then realizing, again and again.
How much what he was saying, fit what seemed to be happening in the practice
and engagement with how transits manifest every, every day and throughout our
lives and in world events and so on. So it's almost like the practice drew me
into the theory. And that's probably why so many of the ideas here are arose
between us, because you're coming with the theory. I feel like I'm not going to
answer every
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Speaker 2
20:05
one of the ideas that you've put forward that
got a lot of people excited and talking. After Unicron was the possibility of
the polytheistic processes of physics. And so, There's a kind of mutual
intelligibility that arises between archetypal cosmology and processive
cosmology, but then he also had a way of sort of massaging process metaphysics,
through a kind of polytheistic societal sense. So I wonder if you could
rehearse that for us now, it was great, rich. Well,
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Speaker 1
20:47
I mean, with the idea of a god ordering the
actual occasions, and I mean kind of the mysterious part is the archetypes
being we've kind of attractors for the actual occasions that continue to be
expressed with them and those archetypes as attractors are in their own way.
God gods and the in a way you could almost see it as many nested prisms God as
the prism that refract, the many colors and then each color with as many shades
is another refraction. And then maybe each of us is another prism that refracts
that once again as we live,
21:38
you know I
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Speaker 1
21:39
I may have one aspect and you might have the
same one but we live them out completely differently. And so we're each prisms
as well and so there's kind of a polytheism within each of us going all the way
back. Okay,
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Speaker 2
22:13
maybe I don't know why, but it seems that the
physics of the process. You can do so you're doing so much in understanding how
archetype to to to to articulate that archetype process based on pointing. I
don't see the warning what happens, what happens, or what happened to young
side of things. Where were processes not merely the kind of endless cycling
back and forth between primordial and consequences. But it's actually attacking
trying to go somewhere. We're trying to get with, with whiteheads idea of creativity
and creativity. For young, of course there is a sense to tell us in a world of
scalability. Is there any heavy logical dimension that you're intuiting that
you can get out of the encounter between Whitehead archetypal cosmology.
23:16
I don't have an answer.
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Speaker 1
23:18
It feels overwhelming to try and give an
answer. But the, the kind of dialogue between the primordial and consequent
natures seems not so much cyclical as spiral ik. And what I was attempting to
touch on with the idea of us, participating in that evolution is that the
reordering of the eternal objects. The reordering than the archetypes of those
potentials. It's, it's always new because of what we're doing. And so there is,
kind of, there is this movement forward in a certain way with that that it's
not just for, for, if that helps.
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Speaker 3
27:01
Hello everyone. Here we are again for another
one of our live conversations and these are live conversations always amused
when I see in the chat people say is this live is this live yeah it's live if
you're watching live right if you're not watching it live. It's not live. And I
don't know maybe just to establish that fact it's always good to respond in
real time. There was one question here from someone in Fiji I don't know where
the, the question runt question went, I should say had to do with black holes
in string theory. If you want to ask that question again, our participant from
Fiji, our try to look at it. But the main event today. As you all know, is a
conversation with Lenny Susskind who is really one of the great theoretical
physicists of our time. So it's an exciting guest to have on the program, as
many of you know many has had profound impact in string theory. Black Hole
physics quantum mechanics elementary particle physics I mean it's quite a lot.
Quite a lot of accomplishments and we'll obviously only be talking about part
of those insights, but I think will likely skew heavily on black holes, you
know as you reach the end of the year. There's a tendency to think back on the
good things the bad things summarize you know they're always best of lists
worst of lists, things of that sort. If I was going to focus upon the best of
physics, or let's say theoretical physics and 2020 even perhaps even earlier.
Black Holes would be near the top, perhaps at the top. You know we've had a
great run and is continuing onward and we're going to discuss today. Some of
the puzzles that remain but some of the deep puzzles of the past that today
just are not as puzzling any longer. It's not that everything has been
resolved, or it's rare that deep puzzles just get fully thoroughly resolved,
but there are many things that were very unclear, even as early as 15 2025
years ago that now have really been unraveled and Lenny and a bunch of other
folks that will no doubt make reference to critical to making that happen so
Lenny will join us at about 130 or so. I'll do a little bit of q&a, maybe
just a couple of questions if there's something to get us going. And then I'll
maybe give a. I don't know, a little background to the conversation that we're
gonna have Atlanta so here's a question from Captain Vietnam. How are dark
energy and dark matter related Captain Vietnam asks, and I like questions like
that because the answer is short. Basically I don't know and nobody does know
how these dark things are related, they may be related they may not be related
remember dark matter is this idea of matter that is out there we believe in
space, and we come to that conclusion because when we take account of the
gravity that can be exerted by the matter that's not dark, which means matter
that we can see gives off light reflects light matter of that sort. The amount
of gravity that such matter can exert just is not enough to account for the
motions that we see through astrophysical measurements astrophysical data right
i mean the analogy that I like to use I think it's a pretty good one. If you
have a bicycle wheel, that's wet as it spins you know that the water droplets
fly off as the wheel turns. Similarly, in galaxies are spinning. If they're
spinning at a sufficiently fast rate stars should be flung outward. And we see
galaxies for which the stars should be flung outwards, but they're not which
must mean there's something else out there that's holding those stars inside of
those galaxies the belief is that there's additional matter, beyond the matter
that we can see with our telescopes and that dark matter is responsible for the
gravitational pull that's keeping those stars from flying outwards, like the
water droplets good that's dark matter as you'd say, there's a lot of dark
matter we think when you do these calculations. There's on the order of four or
five times as much dark matter as there is ordinary matter, you know the stuff
that we're made of
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Speaker 3
31:52
dark energy is a different beast, dark energy.
The most convincing evidence for it. Are these observations that we've
discussed in this series from time to time of the accelerated expansion of
space. Space is not only getting larger over time that was a shock right. That
was the shock that initially was really confirmed through the observations of
Edwin Hubble. But, not only is the universe getting bigger it's getting bigger,
at an accelerated clip, so the expansion is speeding up. How can expansion
speed up right galaxies they pull on each other with the force of gravity force
of gravity we usually think of as pulling things inward. But yet, something's
pushing outward. And the remarkable thing is that an Albert Einstein's general
theory of relativity. Gravity can actually be repulsive it can push outward.
Not if the source of that gravity is a clump like a star, a clump like a galaxy
a clump like a planet rather if there's a diffuse energy that is spread
uniformly throughout a region of space then under modest assumptions, it will
give rise to a repulsive push an outward push that can drive the expansion of
space to accelerate. And because this energy does not itself give off light we
call it dark energy. So there are the two dark things Dark Matter dark energy
and again I gave you the amount of dark matter, dark energies in terms of the
energy mass budget of the universe is even more substantial on the order of 70%
of the mass energy of the universe is this dark energy. So that are these two components
now are they related. Many people have written down theories which suggests
that they are none of these have really gained the consensus of the scientific
community as yet, but who knows. You know, they both have dark in their name.
Is that the end of the connection, or is it deeper, I don't know. All right
anyway so that's a good question to get us going here. Mark Kennedy also has
How much do you miss mama joys. I don't know what that means but it does ring a
bell. Somewhere deep in my childhood or something. I know what you're talking
about Mark I think. Or maybe not. Maybe it's something that I don't want to
remember, I don't know. But anyway, I can't answer the question cuz I don't
remember exactly what it means, quick one more before we head on to a little
bit of background. Physics forever asks, What are strings made up we'll talk a
little bit about string theory here today no doubt many sides gein founding
father pioneer of string theory I'm sure it will come up in our conversation.
And look when you think about any proposal for what stuff is made of. And you
think back on the history of ideas, any proposal for what stuff is made of seem
to ultimately have finer stuff inside of it. Right, molecules made of atoms.
atoms. Yeah nucleus, with electron.
